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[dvdmike]

Asm2 on itv 2 in the UK at 1.78:1
Was it this or the first that had a lost Imax ratio?

[X5gb]

Asm2 on itv 2 in the UK at 1.78:1
Was it this or the first that had a lost Imax ratio?

Shame ASM2 on ITV2Hd is censored in places otherwise would of directly stream capped one of it's screenings.

[dvdmike]

Is it? Even this late?

[spoRv]

Asm2 on itv 2 in the UK at 1.78:1
Was it this or the first that had a lost Imax ratio?

Shame ASM2 on ITV2Hd is censored in places otherwise would of directly stream capped one of it's screenings.

Well, it is always possible to make a VAR version, where the uncensored scenes are taken from the letterbox BD.

[dvdmike]

So cloud atlas, I got an open matte version thinking it was something from it's IMAX showings.
Turns out it's just random?

[spoRv]

Just some random thoughts:

• if a DVD was released as full screen (sometimes as full frame), it can be either open matte or pan&scan
  
• few Pixar films has the frame "recomposited" for the full screen version
  
• a super35 film usually can have both 1.33:1 or 1.78:1 versions, or both (or any...)
  
• a movie filmed using anamorphic lenses could, in some cases, have few lines more on top and bottom in its 1.78:1 version - or even more image on one of the sides
  
• almost no title has a full-lenght full open matte version - meaning that its frame contains completely the widescreen frame seen in the theaters; often, some shots are like them, though!
  

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Things to add:

I remember seeing Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl on VHS once and that had several shots with tons of headroom (and a couple "boom" tips creeping in from the top of the frame), but also noticed most of the CGI shots looked really tight, as if they were completely cropped and pan and scanned from scope. Same went for the 2nd and 3rd films from what I remember, as well as the DVDs of The Haunted Manson and Sky High.

It's also very common for fullscreen versions of flat films to be a mix of shots opened up nearly all the way, sometimes with boom mikes creeping in from the top (and also off centered, with rounded corner aperture gates in view on occasion), and obviously cropped ones. Generally, VFX and CGI shots are usually animated/rendered approximate to the theatrical screening ratio, and will usually be fully zoomed in to avoid letterboxing (but can sometimes have the "masks" bounce in and out from the top or bottom of the frame, which wasn't noticeable on older TVs with overscan).

It is also uncommon for opening and ending credits sequences to be animated, finished, and/or hard matted in the flat widescreen ratio. These cases are usually treated with ether letterboxing, a center crop IF texts/credits all in the middle of the screen, or in rare instances, vertically squeezing all the information into 4:3 without cropping but also making things "tall" and "skinny". It's rare nowadays for a film on video or TV to have a specially created "fullscreen" credits sequence, though some films shown on TV during the 70s/80s did have special 4:3 versions made (usually done for certain titles if someone wasn't happy with how the pan and scan or squeezing process turned previously).

As for Super35 titles, the majority of productions had non FX/CGI shots at full 1.37 aperture, with "unintentional things" in the frame not seen in the 2.35 ratio generally zoomed in on 4:3 versions. The same principles of VFX and CGI shots being animated/hard matted to a wider ratio also apply, but sometimes those shots would be animated and matted at ratios closer to 2.35 and require a complete pan and scan massacre job in the same vein as a fully anamorphic film would. Some productions and directors would hard mask all non-FX/CG shots to a wider ratio (between 1.66 and 1.75:1) to hide such "unintentional things" that would be embarrassing to see in the fullscreen versions.

With some exceptions, it's quite rare for a flat widescreen film to be shown completely cropped without any image gain in 4:3.

[FrankT]

Asm2 on itv 2 in the UK at 1.78:1
Was it this or the first that had a lost Imax ratio?

Shame ASM2 on ITV2Hd is censored in places otherwise would of directly stream capped one of it's screenings.

Censored in places? What do you mean?

[X5gb]

Asm2 on itv 2 in the UK at 1.78:1
Was it this or the first that had a lost Imax ratio?

Shame ASM2 on ITV2Hd is censored in places otherwise would of directly stream capped one of it's screenings.

Censored in places? What do you mean?

ITV HD & ITV2HD always makes minimal edits to some of the more violent scenes in both ASM and ASM 2. Off the top of my head I can't list them but next time its on you will see what I mean.

[maksnew]

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Constantine - OAR 2.35:1

FS: unknown

it is on http://rutracker.org/ and there is a lot of added compared to the web dl which is only cropped and almost not added.