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| Best mix for Aliens (1986)? |
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Posted by: LucasGodzilla - 2021-10-12, 09:58 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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It sort of occurred to me recently that despite the many discussions out there for the audio mixes on the first Alien movie and how people have determined the many oddities surrounding the final Dolby mix and the Sensurround mix and whatnot, but has anyone ever really dissected the mixes for Aliens?
I've always heard a lot about the 6-track 70mm mix for Aliens being really powerful (making heavy use of its Baby Boom track)...
https://ifi.ie/70mm-jargon-buster/ Wrote:Based on our experience with the Aliens 70mm print (playing on July 21st) when it ran at the IFI some years ago, the film will have a 6 channel Mag Track soundtrack, as the print was manufactured at the time of the movie’s release in 1986, many years before digital came along. As this is James Cameron we are talking about, the Aliens sound mix is particularly excellent and famous for its aggressiveness and all round use of bass – which anybody who saw it here in 2011 will remember! We have since installed a new subwoofer, so…good luck everybody! As of writing we don’t have the print in house yet, so we can’t confirm it’s the exact same one from our previous shows or attest to its condition (either way it will be from 1986 or around that period). Once its arrived and has been tested we can fill you in a lot more.
... but I never seemed to figure out if that has ever been released on home media anywhere, even on some old laserdisc. Was that what you got in some blu-rays or DVDs coincidentally (like how the CDS mix ended up being available for Terminator 2) or was it something that never got released or was perhaps used in some old laserdisc release that has or hasn't been capped yet?
This is not an urgent question or anything, but I was at least curious and perhaps thought answering this now for posterity may be useful for whenever the 4K UHD rolls out or something (perhaps even do a regrade when that time comes).
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| home 7.1 releases - general discussion |
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Posted by: spoRv - 2021-10-10, 05:44 PM - Forum: General technical discussions
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To whom it does not know: the home 7.1 channel movie releases include Blu-ray and UltraHD Blu-ray as physical media, and web streaming and download; there were no DVD, LD or other media AFAIK; albeit on theaters there were two 7.1 formats - SDDS with left, left extra, center, right extra, right, surround left, surround right, LFE, and Dolby Surround 7.1 with left, center, right, surround left, surround right, surround back left, surround back right, LFE - only the latter channel configuration is used at home. Not sure about DTS 7.1 and if any movie release in DCP used the SDDS speaker configuration. From now on, 7.1 = Dolby configuration - three screen channels, four surround channels, plus LFE.
OK, back on track: if a title had not a 7.1 (or immersive sound) theatrical release, the home version with 7.1 is not faithful to the theatrical mix, hence the extra back surround channels were created using the left and right surround (and back center when available on 6.1 releases).
According to Blu-ray stats - http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php (yes, I know it's not updated, but I have found only this for now) there were (up to around March 2018) 839 releases with 7.1 channels, or 6.61%; only 0.46% with 6.1, around 70% with 5.1 and 5.0, 12% stereo and 6% mono; until now more 7.1 releases came - as well as with other audio tracks, in particular Dolby Atmos and DTS:X, so I guess the percentage would be not noticeably different.
I made my homework, and according to some sources, there are around 800 titles on BD/UHD-BD with 7.1 track - remember, that 839 was referred to releases, with multiple ones referring to a single title.
Less than 250 of them were released in theaters with immersive sound (Dolby Atmos, DTS:X or Auro3D) and around 50 exclusively on Dolby Surround 7.1; then, about 500 titles have "created" back surround!!!
Of these 500: - a dozen or so had 6.1 theatrical release
- at least 200 were released prior 2010, when Dolby Surround 7.1 came out
- the others may have used DCP 7.1 theatrical mix
So, we are left with AT LEAST more than 200 titles out of 800 - a whopping 25% - with created back surround; this would reduce the overall percentage to around 5%.
I'm sure that also a lot of 5.1 releases are not true to the theatrical versions too, still the percentage is overwhelming - 7.1 are less than 1/10th of 5.1
Conclusion: there is no rush to get a 7.1 sound system if you already have a good 5.1!
Further info:
Posted by Audyssey Labs in June 2012 (https://audyssey.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/ar...l-sources-):
Quote:There are almost no instances of 7.1 content that is produced that way for the movie. The so-called 7.1 Blurays take the original 5.1 movie mix and use a matrix method to generate the additional Back Surround channels.
Posted by F. Hudson Miller in March 2013 - http://www.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/f16...28/p1.html:
Quote:We may on occasion generate a 7.1 if the film has only been mastered in 5.1 (that usually just some minor re-channeling)
and just two treats to end:
Quote:Smith employed DTS Neural Upmix software to remix "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" from 5.1 and other elements to 7.1 for BD release this year
Quote:Steven Spielberg's 1975 hit will come home in "digitally remastered and fully restored" form with an upmixed 7.1 DTS-HD MA soundtrack
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Babylon 5, VAR |
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Posted by: CaveDoctor - 2021-10-10, 01:40 AM - Forum: Movies, TV shows and other
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Alright, so I'm curious about combining the recent remaster of Babylon 5 with an upscaled DVD.
I've seen both and did a little test.
https://ibb.co/LzzJ9qG
I wanted to see exactly what the two would look like together, and did a very crude stack of two screenshots.
One is an upscale of the DVDs, the other is from a rip of the remaster.
I'd need to color time both, and add grain.
I know Topaz can denoise them, and I tried to tint the screenshots to match, with no luck.
They also seem to be at different exposures, which is good.
But I'm also curious, how well can I hide the border between the 4:3 image, and the 16:9 image, If I wanted this to be palatable in 16:9.
Also, what frame stacking tools are available?
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| Regrades - Home Alone, Christmas Vacation, The Insider + Others |
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Posted by: marktornits - 2021-10-06, 10:51 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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Hi~
I'm a lurker who is constantly appreciative of people who take restorations and remasters into their own hands.
I think Fellowship of the Ring was the movie that really set me on a path to be disgusted by the teal and orange game that Hollywood plays with remasters and the lies that they spew about why they blanketly add those colors to older movies.
I have regraded some of my favorite movies that have received awful treatment from studios.
Here is my list.
-Home Alone
The remaster looks so drab- Even the UHD didn't look as good as it should. Using a SDR 4K master, I went through and evened the colors out a bit and removed the tint that was put on it, I did it last year so I can't quite remember what direction the tint pushed to but I would so screen caps if there were interest for me to post somewhere.
-Christmas Vacation
Similar situation to Home Alone- just fixed the tint bias and reset the white level.
-Mrs Doubtfire
This was another awful remaster- The poster for this movie is so bright and vibrant and the remaster drained the life and color from the movie - I aimed to add it back.
-The Insider
Michael Mann is notorious for destroying his films via remasters- Heat is unwatchable with its current Mann approved version and The Insider isn't far off - I find the regrade that I did to be way more watchable.
-Millions
This currently isn't available on Blu-ray- Totally overlooked Danny Boyle Movie- I think I merged the Amazon download version with an HDTV version- From what I remember the Amazon download had a Starz bug that popped periodically, I used the HDTV version to remove that through the movie. I also added the Danny Boyle Commentary
-I Heart Huckabees
There is only a WEB-DL version of this available and it looks terrible and desaturated - I popped the color back in and it looks away better.
There may be a couple more that I am not thinking about right now.
So questions:
Any interest in me posting these?
What program do I need to make screen caps or the before and after?
How can I get invited to a platform where I can upload them?
Thank you-
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