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Vintage Clint Eastwood films original audio preservation |
Posted by: Stamper - 2021-05-17, 06:41 PM - Forum: Movies, TV shows and other
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Clint Eastwood vintage films are really all over the place when it comes to audio, with some of them forever destroyed by "modern" (ie 25 years old already) remixes with brand new sound effects.
So I thought similar to my Mad Max original remixes guide, it could be cool to gather all information in one place, and update as it goes.
THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS, HENCE SOME PARTS AREN'T DETAILED.
First here's a list of Clint's films where the original mix is included. They are all from the same masters which go back to the DVD era. Recent releases are for most of them the source scan better compressed with some adjustments and some milliseconds delays that will be noted here as I review them:
- Hang 'Em High: 2.0 mono on original releases in addition to nice 5.1 remix (no new sounds). Shout! new disc actually adds a stereo mix (no mono) however you can remux the old tracks to the Shout! as it is in sync with the old version. The LD to get if you really want the original sound is MGM [ML101399] from 1991. It is open matte mono 2.0 and include the mono mix in digital. The stereo tracks from Shout! sounds really great and is my go to, but probably the LD mono surpasses the Blu-ray & DVD mono.
Universal era
- Googan's Bluff: 2.0 mono on all releases. Theres a New Shout! remaster out summer 2021. The difference between the old Universal disc and the Shout! is +1043ms. This was only released on LD with analog audio, in both in the USA MCA/Universal [40867] and Japan CIC [SF078-1513].
- Two Mules for Sister Sara: This is where it get weird. This title was never released on Laserdisc! For unknown reasons. Lucky for us, it's 2.0 mono on all releases worldwide. To mux foreign language tracks from the Universal Blu to the new release, you need to add a 1043ms delay. On a note, the new restored mono sounds different (better EQ) than the old, so keep them both.
- The Beguiled: 2.0 mono on all releases. Only one LD was released, lucky for us with the mono mix in both digital and analog, MCA/Universal [41235]. There is no delay between the old and the new Blu-ray editions.
- Play Misty For Me: 2.0 mono on all releases. There is one LD from 1991 that has the mono track in digital if you're a purist, MCA/Universal [12-024]. There are two other early LDs from the US and Japan but they are analog only. The delay between the old release and the Kino is 1s1ms = 1043ms There is zero delay between the Kino Blu and the UHD.
- Breezy: 2.0 mono on all releases. This is another Clint film that never appeared on LD. I recommend the Kino Lorber 2020 release. The mono is DTS-HD with foreign dubs DTS on all releases. To adjust the foreign Blu-ray discs tracks to the Kino, you need a delay of +918ms.
- Joe Kidd: 2.0 mono on all releases. The go get is the Kino 2020 release which is the same master as the Universal, just sightly improved (VC1 vs AVC). To mux the Universal disc tracks to the Kino, you need a delay of 918ms. The LD version with digital track is the MCA/Universal [14004].
- High Plains Drifter: you can find the 2.0 mono on the DVD. The go to Blu-ray is the recent Oct. 2020 Kino edition which sports the best PQ. The stereo track on the new BR however is stereo but apparently with the original sound effects intact. So you need to remux either the DVD mono track, or the LD track, to have the original release mix. There was a LD version with digital track, MCA/Universal [14002]. Like other Clint movies from the Warner era, however, it looks like the mono version was just a folddown of a stereo mixed master. So the Kino stereo is either a fold down of the 5.1, or a straight stereo rip of the stems. There is a 917ms delay between old editions and the new Kino remaster.
- The Eiger Sanction: 2.0 mono on all releases. This is a weird one, because no release is acceptable. There is a recent November 2020 Kino Blu-ray with nice PQ using the same old scan from the source, but it as wonky colors, faces are salmon red in many shots. The old Blu-ray is over sharpened as it is an old DVD master, unwatchable. The NTSC DVD actually looks fine despite the lack of definition but it has some weird flickering on the top of the image. There were two LD releases in P&S analog. The Widescreen LD with the digital track in 2.0 from 1992 is MCA/Universal [41262]. There is a 42ms delay between the old editions and the new master. There is zero delay between the Kino Blu-ray and the new Kino UHD.
United Artists era
- Thunderbolt & Lightfoot: 2.0 mono on all releases. There were 2 CED releases and 3 LD releases all in mono 1 channel, and the one with the digital track in widescreen from 1991 is MGM/UA [ML102232]. This film is Clint only film for United Artists (now MGM/Disney) due to the poor box office due to the poor release, Eastwood never made the second film he was contracted to do for them. As such, it somehow exists on it's own and is released all over the world by small labels. Prefered version is Kino (the most recent release), with Twilight Time having done an old Blu. Capelight in Germany, and Carlotta in France. To mux the french tracks to the Kino, you need a delay of 7049ms.
Paramount / MGM
- Escape From Alcatraz: The Blu-ray presents a remixed 5.1 english track. Other dubs are mono. However the DVD escaped this and had the original track, especially the first one in 4/3 widescreen which was a port of the LD.
Warner era
Universal, went cheap on Clint as they only scanned the films once over 25 years ago when DVD started, but they did not play with the soundtracks. Warner, which his Clint home, has however destroyed all his filmmaking legacy by remixing most of his films for DVD and Blu-ray and releasing most of them in the outdated VC1 encoding format. Only 5 films escaped the slaughter, the ones not considered commercial, which is completely crazy as they have better treatment than the classics! They are available either as Web-DL of low quality from Amazon, or Warner Archive recent releases:
- Bronco Billy: The film is 2.0 surround on DVD, + Warner Archive 2019 Blu-ray is mono. If you check out the old releases, there was a Warner Home Video CED in analog mono and a LD Warner Home Video [11104] from 1989 in reprocessed stereo. So it means the Blu-ray has the CED mix, while the DVD is probably the reprocessed Stereo remix from the stems from 1989.
- Honkytonk Man: 5.1 (remix) on DVD. There is no Blu-ray, other dub tracks are mono. The only LD was reprocessed stereo (it means the original mix was mono). It's Warner Home Video [11305]. There's an AMAZON WEB-DL IN 2.0.
- Bird: 5.1 (remix) on DVD, other dub tracks are Dolby Surround. AMAZON WEB-DL IN 2.0
- Pink Cadillac: 5.1 (remix) on DVD, other dub tracks are mono or stereo or surround. AMAZON WEB-DL IN 2.0
- White Hunter Black Heart: 5.1 (remix) on DVD, other dub tracks are surround. AMAZON WEB-DL IN 2.0
Now here are the ones that were destroyed by remixing with new foley sounds, changed gunshots sounds etc.:
Those two I'm not sure sounds were changed as they probably had 70mm releases in multi-channel, but they are nonetheless remixed:
1. Where Eagles Dare: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are surround or mono. The surround tracks are actually fold down of the 5.1 with the dialogues swapped ie not true original dub mixes. Only the spanish mono track 1.0 is a true original mix. There is Stereo mix on LD that one can find on the internal organ. A 131mn shorter version that ran in theaters during the film second run is missing in all formats. VC1 encode.
2. Kelly's Heroes: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are surround or mono. Stereo mix on LD. I'm very curious to hear the LD, as out of all the remixes of Clint's Warner films, this one actually is very impressive and improve the movie immersion, compared to the anemic foreign mono dubs mixes included. VC1 encode.
Malpaso productions, mono era (except Firefox).
This is the cheap Malpaso phase, before Clint establishes himself as an icon, so all films are mono well into the 80's, with the exception of Firefox for obvious reasons. However, in the LD / VHS era, these films begins to be remixed from the stems in stereo, as the stems were stereo before being collapsed to mono for 35mm release. Then in the DVD era, the soundtracks are all redone in 5.1 with changed foley.
3. Dirty Harry: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are mono. Original mix was mono, folded down from stereo stems. Transfers from the stems were made in stereo in 1990 and 1992. The first 1990 release was Pan & Scan and the 1992 release widescreen, but I can't tell if the stereo mix differs until I buy them both. Also the 1994 version from the LD box set may, or may not be another different from the widescreen stereo remaster. Many sounds are changed on this remix, like the other ones from the series. VC1 encode on Blu-ray, looking antique.
Mono mix:
There are two sources, with the JP LD apparently being digital.
- Warner Home Video [1019 LV] 1983 USA LD Analog one channel. Pan & Scan (Green sleeve)
- Warner Home Video [NJEL-01019] 1989 JP LD Digital two channels Pan & Scan (Brown sleeve).
Stereo mix:
I assume there are two different Stereo versions, the first being the Pan & Scan one, then a redo for the widescreen version, but maybe the audio is the same. I also think the single LD widescreen and the box set version are the same mix as they are only 2 years apart.
- Warner Home Video [1019] 1990 USA LD Pan & Scan listed on lddb as analog but it's an error, the sleeve says digital.
- Warner Home Video [12483] 1992 USA LD digital Widescreen
- Warner Home Video The Dirty Harry Collection [13613] 1994 LD digital Widescreen
Dolby Surround Mix:
- Warner Home Video [16746] 1999 LD has both the 5.1 remix in AC3 and a Dolby Surround version of the same. probably useless now, but a curiosity.
4. Magnum Force: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are mono. Original mix was mono, folded down from stereo stems. Transfers from the stems were made in stereo in 1989 and 1994, however the 1994 version has one missing cue. Nothing we can't fix using the 1989 to patch it up. VC1 encode.
Mono mix:
- Warner Home Video [1039 LV] US LD Analog Pan & Scan
- Warner Home Video [NJEL-01039] 1989 JP LD Analog Pan & Scan (blue sleeve)
Stereo mix:
- Warner Home Video [1039 A/B] 1989 US LD Digital Pan & Scan
- Warner Home Video The Dirty Harry Collection [13613] 1994 LD digital Widescreen (2nd stereo mix, one missing cue).
5. The Enforcer: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are mono. 3 other mixes exists, mono, Stereo 87 and Stereo 94. VC1 encode.
6. The Outlaw Josey Wales: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are mono. Others mixes : Mono JP LD, Stereo 1987, Stereo 1995. 5.1 remix 1999 with DS.
7. The Gauntlet: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are mono. 3 other mixes exists, Mono JP LD, Stereo 1989 and Dolby Surround 1995. VC1 encode.
8. Every Which Way But Loose: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are mono. 2 other mixes exists, Mono JP LD, and Stereo 1989. VC1 encode.
9. Any Which Way You Can: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are mono. The LDs are mono. No Stereo remix ever made.
11. Firefox: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are stereo. Stereo LD + 1995 Dolby Surround (remix from the stems)
12. Sudden Impact: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are mono. 2 mixes exists mono and Stereo 94. VC1 encode.
13. Tightrope: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are mono except Port. & Spa. in surround (derived). LD was mono. This was the last Malpaso production released in mono.
Malpaso productions, Stereo era.
In the VHS & LD explosion era, Malpaso transitions it's productions to Stereo and Dolby Surround.
14. City Heat: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are mono except Spanish stereo. (derived?) LD is Stereo. I'm pretty sure most foreign dubs were stereo.
15. Pale Rider: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are mono except Spanish surround. (derived?) Dolby Surround LDs 86 & 95. I'm pretty sure most foreign dubs were stereo. VC1 encode.
16. Heartbreak Ridge: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are mono or stereo. LD is Stereo. VC1 encode.
17. The Dead Pool: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are mono or surround depending the release. 2 french mixes m+s. LD is Dolby Surround. VC1 encode.
18. The Rookie: the 5.1 is from 70mm release, other dub tracks are surround. They have similar foley so this one is good. VC1 encode.
18. Unforgiven: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are surround. LD is Dolby Surround.
19. A Perfect World: 5.1 (remix) other dub tracks are surround. LD is Dolby Surround
20. In the Line Of Fire: 5.1 (remix), LD is Dolby Surround. Anemic surround track on the UHD.
Malpaso productions, 5.1 era.
In the mid-nineties, Clint transitions to 5.1 for all his productions, probably after he gets a home-cinema THX set-up installed and discover the marvels of stereo in the surround channels at home. The following productions were mixed and released in both 5.1 and Dolby Surround.
21. The Bridges of Madison County was released in 5.1. LD has both 5.1 & DS. Need to check if the sounds were changed for DVD.
22. Absolute Power was released in 5.1. LD has both 5.1 & DS. This was 1997 so probably never remixed. VC1 encode.
23. Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil was released in 5.1. LD has both 5.1 & DS. This was 1997 so probably never remixed. This only exist as a Warner Archives Blu-ray release and on DVD.
24. True Crime was released in 5.1. LD has both 5.1 & DS. Last Clint film released on LD.
That make about 20 of his films where the original english mixes are gone from home-video.
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Frame-accurate subtitles |
Posted by: theprion - 2021-05-15, 10:00 PM - Forum: Converting, encoding, authoring
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Greetings, all!
I've been venturing myself into resyncing subs, and most of what I do is move the lines around on the audio track waveform, using freewares like Aegisub and Subtitle Edit.
I'm very meticulous about having it all playing in sync but I do it all by the naked eye (and ear). Although I've had good results with playback, I wonder if I'm not overlooking something or if my subtitles would hold up to professional standards that I'm ignorant of.
I've seen experienced users mentioning "frame-accurate" subtitles and I would like to be advised on how to make sure, from a technical standpoint, that the subs are properly synced to video.
Thanks!
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Spawn (1997) Theatrical Cut |
Posted by: Bigrob - 2021-05-09, 08:12 PM - Forum: Official and unofficial releases
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Just wondering if anyone knows (or even owns) a HD copy of the theatrical cut of Spawn (1997). I've seen one DVD in the wild that is the theatrical cut but everything else is the R rated version.
Was going to watch it with my boys so would prefer the tamer PG-13 version.
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98 DTS laserdisc capture project - DONATIONS NEEDED! |
Posted by: spoRv - 2021-05-07, 06:50 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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I'll capture my 98 DTS laserdiscs:
- … 12 Monkeys (1995) 43208
- … Alien Resurrection (1997) 0032584
- … Apollo 13 (1995) 43119
- … Armageddon (1998) 16066 AS
- … Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery: Special Edition (1997) ID4402LI
- … Blade (1998) ID5423LI
- … Blown Away (1994) ML106171
- … Boogie Nights (1997) ID4415LI
- … Born on the Fourth of July (1989) ID4482MC
- … Broken Arrow (1996) 0896384
- … Carlito’s Way (1993) ID4425MC
- … Casino (1995) 43117
- … Casper (1995) 43120
- … Con Air (1997) 12881 AS
- … Crimson Tide (1995) 12156 AS
- … Crow, The (1994) 12157 AS
- … Dante’s Peak (1997) 43364
- … Dark City (1998) ID4643LI
- … Daylight (1996) 43271
- … Deep Rising (1998) 15066 AS
- … Die Hard 2: Die Harder (1990) 0890684
- … Die Hard 3: With A Vengeance (1995) 0885884
- … Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story (1993) ID4426MC
- … Dragonheart (1996) 43207
- … English Patient, The (1996) 12356 AS
- … Evita (1996) 12096 AS
- … Firestorm (1997) 0277384
- … Flubber (1997) 14687 AS
- … Frighteners, The (1996) 43274
- … From Dusk Till Dawn (1996) 12160 AS
- … Game, The (1997) ID4386PG
- … Gate to the Mind’s Eye, The (1994) ID4068MM
- … Get Shorty (1995) ML107093
- … Getaway, The (1994) ID4471MC
- … Goldeneye: Special Edition (1995) ML105987
- … Good Will Hunting (1997) 15112 AS
- … Great Expectations (1998) 0449284
- … Halloween: H20 (1998) 16070 AS
- … Hard Target (1993) 43276
- … Heart and Souls (1993) ID4483MC
- … Hercules (1997) 15067 AS
- … Hunchback of Notre Dame, The (1996) 12354 AS
- … In the Mouth of Madness: Special Edition (1994) ID3751LI
- … In the Name of the Father (1993) ID4484MC
- … Independence Day: ID4 (1996) 0411884
- … Jackal, The (1997) ID4424MC
- … Jackie Brown (1997) 15065 AS
- … Jackie Chan’s First Strike (1996) ID4713LI
- … Jurassic Park (1993) 43115
- … Kingpin (1996) ML107092
- … Kull the Conqueror (1997) ID4422MC
- … Last Man Standing (1996) ID3735LI
- … Liar Liar (1997) 43365
- … Long Kiss Goodnight, The (1996) ID3738LI
- … Lost in Space (1998) ID4712LI
- … Lost World, The: Jurassic Park (1997) 43366
- … Man in the Iron Mask, The: Special Edition (1998) ML107203
- … Mask, The (1994) ID3752LI
- … Mimic (1997) 14343 AS
- … Mortal Kombat: Annihilation (1997) ID4421LI
- … Mortal Kombat: Special Edition (1995) ID3753LI
- … Most Wanted (1997) ID4716LI
- … Mr. Holland’s Opus (1995) 12161 AS
- … Mr. Nice Guy (1997) ID4715LI
- … Nightmare Before Christmas, The (1993) 12162 AS
- … Nutty Professor, The (1996) 43272
- … Phenomenon (1996) 12159 AS
- … Pocahontas (1995) 12158 AS
- … Pulp Fiction (1994) 12154 AS
- … Quest, The (1996) 43367
- … Red Corner (1997) ML107096
- … River Wild, The (1994) 43275
- … Rob Roy (1995) ML107090
- … Rock, The (1996) 12155 AS
- … Ronin: Special Edition (1998) ML107602
- … Rush Hour (1998) ID5477LI
- … Scream 2 (1997) 14607 AS
- … Scream: Director’s Edition (1996) 14797 AS
- … Seven (1995) ID3750LI
- … Shadow, The (1994) 43116
- … Shine (1996) ID3957LI
- … Spawn: The Movie: Special Edition (1997) ID4236LI
- … Species (1995) ML105760
- … Strange Days (1995) 0893984
- … Street Fighter (1994) 43368
- … Sudden Death (1995) 43210
- … Super Speedway: IMAX (1997) ID4717OW
- … Timecop (1994) 43211
- … Titanic (1997) LV334812-WSDTS
- … Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) ML107148
- … Toy Story (1995) 12153 AS
- … True Lies (1994) 0864084
- … Village of the Damned (1995) 43278
- … Volcano (1997) 0603984
- … Wag the Dog (1997) ID4646LI
- … Waterworld (1995) 43118
- … Wedding Singer, The (1998) ID4686LI
- … X-Files: The Movie (1998) 0044884
Beginning of capture: end of May 2021
End of all captures: July 2021 (at 15/20 captures per week)
Captures will be bit-perfect, AS-IS 16bit 44.1Khz, along with compressed video.
DONATIONS NEEDED!!!
Expected target: 1000€ before end of May, 2021
Minimum target: 700€ before May 16, 2021
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20€ = 3 captures
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To donate: comment with the amount you would like to donate (or, if you want to be anonymous, send me a PM).
Donations will be collected ONLY if the minimum target will be reached in time; a PayPal link will then be provided.
Thanks to anyone!
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Posted by: chuchu555 - 2021-05-07, 10:53 AM - Forum: Presentation
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hello there!
i'm brand new here and would like to say hello! i've always loved fan restorations of movies and was introduced to it through harmy's star wars despecialized. i've recently been watching a lot of john woo movies, only coming to learn that the official blu ray releases are just awful (and most other hk movies of the time for that matter), so i was brought to this forum and am here to check it out!
- chuchu555
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The House with Laughing Windows (1976) [Project: Celluloid — Upscale & Regrade] |
Posted by: LucasGodzilla - 2021-05-05, 01:37 PM - Forum: Released
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Nutshell: I've been experimenting lately with Topaz Video Enhancer to upscale a bit of an Italian giallo gem: La casa dalle finestre che ridono
I'm not going to explain much about it since the Trailer From Hell video above does a decent job giving you an idea of what to expect from the movie.
Anyways, the unfortunate fact about this movie is that it has hardly ever seen any releases over the years. Apparently, years ago it was released on DVD (via Nouveaux Pictures if I'm not mistaken) that was made from some sort of scan of an interpositive it seems which was rather grimy at times. Eventually, a remaster was made for the movie's 25th anniversary which was made from a scan of the original camera negatives though, however, this restoration is really quite old nowadays (with Shameless putting salt into that wound by re-releasing it 10 years later).
Not to mention the fact that the remaster carries a revisionist color grade given this quote below.
Quote:Un contributo fondamentale alla realizzazione di questo DVD infine è stato dato dal direttore della fotografia che ha riposizionato le luci del film, per rifare il telecinema e, come afferma Pupi Avati, lo ha reso più bello di come è nato, ancora più luminoso."
Finally, a fundamental contribution to the making of this DVD was given by the director of photography who repositioned the lights of the film, to redo the telecine and, as Pupi Avati says, made it more beautiful than it was born , even brighter."
Whether or not the look is good is subjective. I'm personally of the opinion that the yellow veil looks quite ugly at times when paired with the bright, low-contrast look. As such, I decided to try and loosely color grade the upscale to look more akin to the IP-sourced DVD from what footage I could find of it.
At one point I considered starting a thread for buying and scanning a faded print overseas for around $600~, but in the end, I thought it wasn't really worth pursuing. The print might still be available for purchase though for the record if people are interested in that prospect, but judging from my past experiences, I don't think anyone here really cares much all that much about Italo-horror stuff (especially stuff on the obscurer side). As a result, I settled on upscaling the SD master since it's the best we can get really on a budget.
For the upscale process, I decided to use the Italian DVD since it sported the best encode and resolution in comparison to Shameless (judging from screencaps; I refuse to give them money to check for certain) as well as the US Euroshock release (which happens to also have a PAL to NTSC issue). I then upscaled the movie to 2K then downscaled to 1080 (saw no point in doing 4K; there's only so much upscales can do), regrained it via FilmConvert to cover up the flaws of the upscale (which looks very heavily DNRd otherwise due to the nature of the process), and then regraded it to give it a more neutral tone throughout.
It's not perfect, but I'd say it's a lot more palpable than any of the DVDs. I would do a scene-by-scene Dr. Dre color match job for a more faithful job at handling the colors, but I'd rather save such efforts when I manage to locate a copy of this OOP DVD as well as whenever an official HD release eventually does comes to fruition. As for improving the upscale, unless someone has any better suggestions other than Topaz, this is the best I can come up with (so please bear with the noticeably waxy faces at times).
The MKV will not only include three audio tracks (ranging from mono to surround), but it will also include three separate subtitle tracks (two of which being separate English translations and the third being Italian subs).
I also took the time to convert the original DVD subtitle files to SRT (which changes by player) so they don't sport that ugly looking early-2000s look to them.
They're not perfect as the subtitle conversions done for the two provided from the Italian DVD seem to have some strange misconversions going on, but it's highly unlikely that either would be used and for the most part get the job done. If you really are desperate to see them un-screwy (though the audience is likely minimal given I believe the US DVD's subs have the superior translation), I'll be providing the original subtitle files from it as well which should be able to be muxed in quite snuggly. In retrospect, I should've just muxed them in from the start given they're just subtitle files, but hindsight 20-20.
On a final note whilst on the topic of muxing, the MKV's default video track will be set to a 30-second disclaimer that I expect all viewers to read at least once before switching to the second track for viewing the actual feature presentation (or before muxing the track out altogether): The nutshell being that this is non-profit and it is expected for viewers to own a legal copy of the movie.
I hope y'all enjoy it! It's really an absolute crime that this movie (like The Keep) isn't available in HD yet, so I hope this'll partially fill that void. As I said earlier, I'd love to revisit this title one day (whether through the form of a faded print scan, an improved upscale, or a proper regrade of a BD whenever one gets made).
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