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Mad max (1979) audio preserv |
Posted by: Stamper - 2019-03-30, 10:18 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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Hey guys,
So I've been spending some time on the first Mad Max trying to sort out the craziness of the different mixes.
There is a little information out there, but scattered. Let's all put it in one place.
The goal is to gather here a reference page of all the different mixes, so that anyone with an interest in this film should finally be able to pick of the correct tracks they want.
Here's french canadian Retromike video review of the problems about the sound on this film:
https://youtu.be/X_jhrIWohjQ
EDIT 2020: following the release of the UHD and additional research and debates amongst fans, it appeared that two different australian mixes of Mad Max are in existence, one domestic (the original), one international (using AIP M&E the track with some tweaks). As Retromike notes "a ton of sound effect from the US dub are still missing (in the international Oz mix as heard on the Warner Europe DVD) like the "crash" sound effect when Goose has an accident right after Johnny damaged his motorbike." This unique "international" mix featuring the Aussie voices can only be found on the original Warner European DVD of Mad Max.
DVD releases:
- AIP print American dub mono from the original 1997 Image snapcase DVD.
American dub. The sound is 1.0 channel and the DVD is non-anamorphic, but widescreen. The colors are clearly from a print, vivid and superior to the Blu-ray that look like someone switched off the light. A nice archival print capture.
- Warner europe DVD from 2001
This is one of the best looking Mad Max on video out there, and it's in 16/9 1024x576, with the Australian, English, French, German, Spanish and Italian original mono mixes in 1.0. It features the correct colors, akin to the AIP print, unlike every MM HD release after.
2020 addition: the australian mix found on that disc is the international version that uses most of the american M&E track, just like every foreign dub do. I can vouch that this is the version I always heard in cinemas but this was from 1982 on. It may be that the film was remixed for worldwide re-release after the success of Mad Max 2 and this is what's featured on the Warner Europe DVDs.
After this, MGM had Chace Stereo do a Stereo remix for Mad Max in December of 1999 for a new 35mm print they struck for theatrical showings in early 2000. However they used as base the original domestic mono mix, instead of the AIP M&E track like every foreign dub do. Then they decided to work on a 5.1 remix based on that one, alas they generally did a terrible job. That is what was included on the US video releases thereafter. So this feature on:
- 2001 R1 America - MGM Home Entertainment Special Edition
...which has this Australian Dolby Digital 5.1 track remix (complete with the missing Johnny The Boy line in the end scene as shown in the video above), the original domestic Australian Dolby Digital 2.0 Mono that is actually different from the international mix, and the U.S. Dolby Digital 2.0 Mono dub.
Australian Dolby Digital 5.1
Australian Dolby Digital 2.0 Mono (australian domestic original mono mix different from the Warner DVD mono mix and same as the 4K UHD mono mix)
U.S. Dolby Digital 2.0 Mono
- 2002 R4 Australia - Village Roadshow
In 2002, Roadshow created their own 5.1 remix that is notably superior to the MGM one though it has the same crap reverb. It was included on the R4 DVD as DTS/1509kbps and DD/448kbps tracks. It sounds totally different from the MGM though it uses the same source tracks (aka domestic mix). Also this DVD release as a unique, interlaced master, that looks a lot like the Image DVD one color wise.
Australian DTS 5.1 special Remix of the Chace remix
Australian Dolby Digital 5.1 same as above but in lossy DD.
Blu-rays:
- Blu-ray A America - MGM Home Entertainment
Then comes Mad Max remastered for Blu-ray and it looks like crap. The shine of the original prints is gone, and it looks like someone switched the lights off. It's grey and dull and washed out and sadly it looks that way on every Blu-ray release. In addition, the sound is a disaster:
- Australian DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 (48kHz/24-bit) This is the Chace remix with some tweaks. The end scene is edited differently on that one, like they tried to fix it.
- Australian Dolby Digital 2.0 Mono Those idiots have not included the original mono there, despite the label. It's a downmix of the 5.1, resulting in out of phase sounds during the whole film!
- U.S. dub Dolby Digital 2.0 Mono This is the correct track.
- French Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo I'm not sure but it maybe this stereo track is taken from the french 1985 stereo Laserdisc. It sounds excellent and is mostly mono, with some slight differences between the channels.
- Spanish Dolby Digital 2.0 Mono Sounds like the correct track.
This release comes with the MGM DVD as bonus, so you actually get the different 5.1 and 2.0 australian original australian mono tracks from that one.
Blu-ray A America - Shout! Factory Collector's Edition
You think the indie label would have fixed those problems. They didn't. Their master is DNRed resulting in some details erased from the picture, too. Collector's only by name.
- Australian DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 Still the same remix as the MGM Blu.
- Australian DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0 stereo This is supposed to be the mono track again, but it's not. On first impression it sounds like a stereo downmix of the 5.1 track. But it could be in fact the original stereo mix made in 1999 by Chace before the 5.1 remix, as it's way more dynamic than the downmixed 5.1 when you switch between the tracks.
- U.S. DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0 Stereo. Surprise, this actually isn't the mono US dub, but a stereo version. It's mostly mono with some differences between channels.
- Blu-ray ALL France - Warner Home Video
Same master as the others above, just sightly cleaned up with a DNR pass to make room for the additional languages. Also released across Europe. Japanese language options available only when player's language is set to Japanese.
The French subtitles translate the U.S. English audio track.
- Australian Dolby Digital 5.1 useless as it's the MGM Chace remix fix in DD.
- U.S. dub DTS-HD Master 2.0 Stereo same as Shout! track.
- Czech Dolby Digital 1.0 Mono
- French Dolby Digital 1.0 Mono
- German Dolby Digital 1.0 Mono
- Hungarian Dolby Digital 1.0 Mono
- Italian Dolby Digital 1.0 Mono
- Japanese Dolby Digital 1.0 Mono This is absurd because in Japan, the movie was released in 4 tracks stereo.
- Portuguese Dolby Digital 1.0 Mono
- Russian Dolby Digital 1.0 Mono
- Spanish (Castilian) Dolby Digital 1.0 Mono.
- Spanish (Latin) Dolby Digital 1.0 Mono
- Polish Dolby Digital 1.0 Mono (Voice-over)
- Blu-ray B Australia - Roadshow Home Entertainment
- Australian DTS-HD Master 5.1 it seems this is the Roadshow remix fix so the best place to get it!
- Australian Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo This sounds like a mono downmix of the Roadshow 5.1 mix but maybe it's just the same downmix of the Chace mix. In any case, it sounds totally crappy with out of phase sounds, do not bother with this.
- English Descriptive Audio Service Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo
Note:The disc's menu incorrectly claims the Stereo mix is the US dub, but it plays Australian audio.
- 4K remaster
A few years ago, an HDR 4K version stream appeared, based on the Blu-ray scan featuring the Chace 5.1 remix usual. It's now been superseded by:
- 4K UHD
2020 NEW! The new HDR-Dolby Vision 4K version out now on UHD is in way better shape. Alas, it still fails to represent exactly how the film originally looked as they applied the grading from the HD master as base! You can see it right from the beginning when the shots lighting differences are obvious and don't match between the cops during the chase, as they don't obviously on the negative, (due to changing weather) whereas this was seamless on the original Interpositives and on the Warner Europe DVD.
As for the mono mix in lossless included, it's finally back to the original Australian domestic mix same as the MGM DVD. However it's not in the best of shape. Still a recommend!
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How to remove every 25th dupe frame from h264 video |
Posted by: Plissken1138 - 2019-03-30, 04:29 AM - Forum: Converting, encoding, authoring
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Here's the situation - I have a h264 mkv of some remastered docu that was shot on film, and it shows as 25 fps in media info but every 25th frame is a dupe (I checked it frame by frame) which makes that annoying stutter, especially visible in panning shots. I'd like to try using ffmpeg to drop every 25th dupe frame and make it a 24 fps video that plays smooth and doesn't lose sync with audio, but I'm a noob at ffmpeg and got kinda lost looking thru documentation... If some kind soul with knowledge would spell it for me I'd be one happy noob.
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Hellbound: Hellraiser II (1988) [Project: Celluloid] |
Posted by: LucasGodzilla - 2019-03-29, 03:31 AM - Forum: In progress
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Now here's a little surprise for you Hellraiser fans. While I've been awaiting some feedback on the grading work done for my Hellraiser re-grade, TomArrow brought up the topic of Hellraiser II. Now, all evidence suggests for me that it suffers the same issues as the first movie's remaster by Arrow. So naturally, since I still have the LUTs for ready use and the disc handy, I converted the movie for Da Vinci Resolve and regraded that as well. It didn't take me nearly as long as the first one since I just worked off of the elements I had from the aforementioned preceding regrade. Unfortunately, I have no scans or anything to really base off of for this movie except for the lighting scheme used in the previous film, so I will admit that this is likely inaccurate and serves more as an alternate way of seeing the movie.
Original Arrow Master
Continues on the next post due to image limit...
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Point Break (1991) Open Matte - Recommendations?? |
Posted by: DeafYakuza - 2019-03-28, 01:02 AM - Forum: Official and unofficial releases
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I need some recommendations of professional people of here who are knowing about that.
So, I have downloaded the open matte version of Point Break (1991) starring Keanu Reeves and Patrick Swayze.
It seems that the quality have artefacts like Top Gun open matte version.
Which video editing software or effects should I take it to remove artefats and get better quality? I can use Adobe Effects and Premiere or Sony Vegas.
I’m looking forward to your recommendations.
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My Thread of Random Color Comparisons |
Posted by: LucasGodzilla - 2019-03-27, 04:35 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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I just thought I'd make this thread as a little personal note keeping system for myself and for others to see. A way to keep track of the many instances where there are some pretty massive color incongruencies between modern HD transfers of older movies and older transfers or scanned trailers without necessarily bringing a whole project upon myself. A little hobby thing really as I experiment more and more with Dr. Dre's Color Matching tool.
Opera (1987)
Browsing around YouTube, I ended up finding an Orion trailer of the movie.
For the most part, there aren't any real incredibly notable color differences that are worth really taking note of except for one very brief shot.
(Trailer - Scorpion Blu-Ray - Arrow DVD)
In the trailer, the statue head is bathed in blue lighting which seems to be mostly absent in other transfers. As such, a took a moment and white-balanced the trailer, and then I lined up the frame from the trailer (white balanced it from the Orion logo preceding the trailer) and the Scorpion Blu-Ray to make a small LUT in Dr. Dre's Color Matching tool. From there, I imported a latter frame from the same shot to regrade, resulting in this.
Results aren't perfect, and I have no idea how accurate that trailer really is, but it's something I find interesting to look at.
Inferno (1980)
Similarly to Opera, on YouTube, I found an Arrow trailer of the movie.
A few things notable about this was how it's darker and more colorful than any of the transfers I've seen. There were several shots shown that on the Blu-Rays I've seen that were neutral in comparison and missing some of the blues shown in the trailer.
As such, I white-balanced the trailer and lined up frames with their Blue Underground Blu-Ray counterparts and threw them into color matcher.
I think the results are nice since even though I'm not sure how accurate the trailer is in terms of colors, it does have a closer semblance to the likes of Suspiria which I admittedly prefer.
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Help me build the "definitive" FanRes computer! |
Posted by: spoRv - 2019-03-25, 08:04 PM - Forum: Everything else...
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Lately, my last computer had problems; taken to a computer shop to change the PSU, discovering they KILLED my main HDD, using cable from the old PSU - which, of course, was not compatible... adding insult to injuries, they do not even admitted they made a wrong move, but just said "it can happen in every moment!" - where the HDD PCB was clearly burned... I also bought a brand new PCB for that, only to discover that it was (not) the only problem... so, I lost EVERY previously made Fundamental Collection final projects! More, I spent money for a useless PCB, a small SSD just to make it work temorarily, and a new PSU - useless, as the problem was the CPU cooler!
Long story short, I decided to sell the remains of the PC (CPU/MB/RAM/PSU) for few bucks, and to restart with a new, fast, powerful HEDT!
What I wanted to build actually cost, brand new, an arm and a leg (plus the left kidney, I suppose), so I started to see around for an used one.
Found that one of my friend decided to sell his supa-dupa workstation - barely used, in very pristine condition - because he wants to upgrade to "faster hardware" (just for the sake of it)... the price of his rig is very good indeed (here, it's possible to find out at the same price used computers with just one GPU, half the RAM, worst MB, half wattage PSU etc.)
The system is made by the following components:
CPU: AMD Threadripper 1950X
MB: ASUS ROG Zenith Extreme
cooler: Enermax Liqtech II TR4 240mm
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws V 64GB 3200 CL14
GPU: 2x AMD Vega Frontier 16GB
PSU: Enermax G2 1300W
add to them my own old case, small SATA SSD, various HDDs.
Now, the problem is, I can't afford it right now, because I had to divert those funds to cover sudden expenses that could be not delayed; sure, I could always wait several months and buy another computer, yet this rig is great, the price too, and I am 100% sure it is in very good condition, almost brand new, quite some residual warranty - all things that will probably never happen again for the same item.
My friend said that he can allow me some time to pay it in full... so, I'm here to ask if there is someone that could be interested to help me buying it; all money received will be used only and exclusively to cover the computer cost and, in the (very remote) chance funds will be higher, they will be used to add NVME m.2 SSD(s) for fast caching, and HDD(s) for archival purposes (and possibly backup). This computer will be used, of course, to make fanres projects - I have several half-made (to name few, Dobermann regrade, Silent Hill UAR) almost ready, but I thought to release the following first:
Alien UHD - http://alien.tk
I know that an UHD-BD will be released on April 23rd 2019, but I'm pretty sure it will not be as good as mine, and it will be wonderful to release mine before it, and discover I was right! also, other UHD projects will be released soon, but I do need that kind of power to release them in few weeks, instead of many months (if ever) using my actual 12yrs old PC...
Because there are always some new users (and some old ones, too), that ask if they can do something to help me... well, now it's the time! If you like my previous projects, and want to see some brand new and improved ones, chime in!
For the moment, I just want to know if you will/can donate some cash - to let my friend be aware; then, eventually, starting to raise money in the next week.
Thanks a lot in advance to anybody who will contribute to keep my fan restoration dream alive!
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