I originally joined here with the intent to provide useful information and get help to finish some projects I've been working on and off for a while. However, severe personal issues just came up which means I won't have time to finish anything nor be on Fanres much, and I don't want to cause problems and come across as a leach to some people who helped me if I can't contribute anything on my end due to time constraints. I was going to have an admin ban my account, but he was against the idea and told me to write this post and just not log in, but the thing is I probably won't be coming back at all from this point on and I don't people hanging or wondering what happened to me. I'm not sure if anyone is with me on this.
It was nice being with you all but life is life and don't want to cause any problems if I cannot provide in return.
The Matrix - AXIS-ALIGNED POLYGON ASPECT RATIO™ - EXPERIMENTAL VERSION
Are you curious to watch an entire movie with more image than both the letterbox and open matte versions?
Are you ready to watch it with a "strange" aspect ratio?
This version is AFAIK the first full lenght movie release with an AAP-AR; thanks to random.next and his plugin, the alignment is perfect in almost all shots (I'd say 99.9%); it used HDTV and DVD as they have very similar (but not identical) color grading.
Problems:
sometime the alignment is completely wrong (first 52 frames are my fault) for a whole shot, or just for a frame or two at the beginning of a shot
colors in the "slices" are different sometimes, due to not identical color grading of the sources
there is at least a glitch which was present in the HDTV source
no end credits
All in all, a nice presentation; after few minutes, the empty angles would be barely noticed - until you'll notice a problem, at least!
The video file has not audio, but it's in sync with the BD (until the beginning of the end credits), so you can mux a track from BD in any language; I've added the workprint track (fixed by jerryshadoe) so you can experience an even more strange version.
Have fun, and do not forget to leave some feedbacks!!!
Video (no audio included) - Audio (from workprint)
The Blu-ray didn't come with it's original mono mix in english.
However it's available on the US DVD and on LaserDisc (Jap/USA). So I'm asking
if someone who has either, LaserDisc preferred, could please share the
audio. It would be also useful to have the video from the version, to help
with syncing it to the Blu-ray.
As for the 5.1 mix on the BD, it's okay for what it is. However you can hear
the mono origins, as voices and SFX bleed into the surround channel. I'd say
that the original mono mix will be a much more pleasing listening experience.
Posted by: deleted user - 2018-01-07, 05:42 AM - Forum: In progress
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Something I wanted to do since I first saw this movie. The desaturated look is absolutely not my thing. Luckily the color is still there and just needs to be seduced to show itself.
Played around for a while to get the ideal compromise with a blanket 3D LUT and am now at a point where I am kinda satisfied.
Since the saturation is so low in the original, there's lots of obvious chroma blocking when raising the saturation, which is why I apply a grainplate for each RGB channel separately. This results in some extreme grain/noise in some areas where there is strong chroma contrast, but I actually kinda like that. Looks better than the blocking, anyway.
I only encoded that one with Adobe Media Encoder, so don't expect great quality. Should give you a fair idea what to expect color-wise though. And in the beginning scenes you can see some of that chroma grain acting up which I mentioned above.
Final encode will be done by applying the 3D LUT through ffmpeg in 16-bit, then piping into and encoding with 10-bit x264. If someone wants a blu-ray compatible encode, I'll include the .avs-file, grainplate, 3D LUT and a .bat script using ffmpeg for the LUT application and piping into x264 (that took some tinkering to get it to work), so you can just make your own version with your own encoding settings. I personally don't have a Blu Ray player, so I don't care about compatibility much.
Audio will be the lossless audio from the Blu Ray transcoded to FLAC.
This is pretty much finished, just need to find good encode settings and encode. I'll probably aim at a bitrate between 15 and 20 Mbps, to preserve the beautiful grain acting up.
If anyone has suggestions for further audio tracks or anything, let me know.
P.S. Should I classify this as fanedit as I am not technically preserving anything (other than the color)?
Hello,
Just want let you all know that Amazon Prime Video has Fight Club, atleast here in Sweden, and by the look of it seems to be an early transfer in HD. (2K telecine?)
I can tell it doesn't have the Bluray transfer color correction and the overall tone is more warm in the highlights. And it has pure filmgrain. No DNR. Oh yes!
Long story short: AAP-AR combines two (or more) sources, usually letterbox and open matte or fullscreen, to get more image, using an unconventional aspect ratio, like the following (red letterbox source, green open matte source):
So far, random.next released some titles which overlay letterbox sources to an open matte sources, to get improved details; still, the AR is always 1.78:1.
He also made an experimental version of Terminator 2, which uses an AAP-AR, but fills the corner with something he defines "ambilight" (a technique that takes part of the surrounding image to fill the corners somehow, but it's not impainting); so, this version technically does not use AAP-AR at the end.
Now, using his wonderful plugin, it would be possible to release a complete film using AAP-AR with (almost no) manual intervention, a thing that prevented this in the past - it would be unthinkable for a fan to spend months of hard work to find out crop and resize settings for thousand shots and 150000+ frames!
Testing this plugin right now, and results are really promising; thinking to release an AAP-AR project really soon, as I thought about this since a very long time - as you can read in my restoration tip, which was originally posted almost four years ago.
So, I have three questions:
is there any interest in an AAP-AR project?
what is the best name for this kind of AR? (AAP-AR is not the easiest one, frankly)
would this worth a new moniker for a separate collection, or would fit in the existing one?
My answer to my own questions are
yes! Watching an AAP-AR movie is a great experience; it gives you much more image, having the "best of both worlds"; and the strange AR would pass soon unnoticed (or, at least, not that noticed) - much better than, say, wear 3D glasses for two hours!
AAP-AR, even if technically correct, is not "cool"; I thought about unconventional, unorthodox, unusual aspect ratio, that would all lead to UAR.
dunno! Would be the occasion also to release projects with a color grading "inspired by film, but not so close"...
Waiting for your opinions!
Edit: a picture worth more than thousand words... so, here you are an actual example of AAP-AR using three sources (still work in progress)
for example, this image has around 43% more image than BD... not that bad, huh?
Since random.next released his cool AviSynth plugin and nobody has done this yet, here's a thread for us to discuss this before he gets to finish the stable build and releasing a guide.
So, I saw spoRv's test and felt motivated, but didn't get far. Tried matching an HDTV with a WEB-DL. They are perfectly in sync and the framing is almost identical, but there are small discrepancies that don't allow me to overlay them. In particular, each source seems differently stabilized and there are lots of micro-tremors that make a simple overlay impossible. They also have somewhat different color timing, but not remarkably so. Hence my hopes in this plugin.
srcdehalo2 is my WEB-DL (1080p) and src2 is my HDTV source (1080i, but already converted to 1080p in the correct framerate)
All that this does for me is to overlay the two sources with the same minor alignment issues it already had before. In other words, it's not really aligned. My goal is to have a perfect overlay so I can combine the two sources into a higher quality source through averaging.
That debug=true displays some info. x:0, y:1 Angle: 0.00. Sometimes y is 0 and sometimes x is 1. Angle seems always 0.00. Diff usually between 5 and 20. I read some remark by random.next that maxDiff should be bigger than the maximum diff inherent to the sources (I hope I didn't get that wrong), but either value doesn't really make a difference.
I also ran the README.md through Google Translate, for whatever it's worth (had to do it piece by piece):