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  Pal content that is 25fps but plays at 23.976 speed
Posted by: Stamper - 2019-03-07, 09:18 AM - Forum: Audio and video editing - Replies (14)

Hi folks,

So I'm kinda surprised as I find some bonuses on Pal DVD, that are encoded Pal 25fps 50hz, but have the exact same lenght of the same bonuses on the NTSC DVD that are 23.976fps 60hz.

Let say I want to overlay both bonuses to obtain a better looking encode with more detail.

How do I do because when I import the Pal content, and put it in a NTSC timeline, it suddenly stretches to 23.976 and plays slow.

Thank you.

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  HDD/SSD speed needed for 4K and 8K
Posted by: spoRv - 2019-03-04, 06:33 PM - Forum: General technical discussions - Replies (6)

Guessing how fast an HDD should be to sustain realtime 4K and 8K play, let's say some figures - extrapolated from http://toolstud.io

UHD 4K - 3840 x 2160 4:2:2 24fps 8bit YCbCr uncompressed: 199MB/s
https://toolstud.io/video/bitrate.php?im...amerate=24

UHD 4K - 3840 x 2160 4:2:2 24fps 10bit YCbCr uncompressed: 249MB/s
https://toolstud.io/video/bitrate.php?im...amerate=24

UHD 8K - 7680 x 4320 4:2:2 24fps 10bit YCbCr uncompressed: 995MB/s
https://toolstud.io/video/bitrate.php?im...amerate=24

So, to sustain realtime uncompressed UHD 4K 8bit and 10bit, fastest HDDs could be up to the task - or slower ones in RAID. Of course, any SSD could do.
For UHD 8K, you need an NVME or at least two SATA SSDs in RAID 0; with HDDs, minimum should be four in RAID 0, even if probably more are required.

Of course, compressed video - even using lossless codecs - would be quite lower than this figures, so *maybe* for a lossless encoded UHD 8K video, around 500MB/s could be needed, leaving the task to a simple SATA SSD or two (or three) fast HDDs in RAID 0.

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Heart random thoughts about movie restorations
Posted by: spoRv - 2019-03-04, 02:57 PM - Forum: Everything else... - Replies (1)

Yes, I know that is the "Everything else..." subforum - I built this forum, after all - yet, I don't see any other places to put it, so...

Today I noted a comment on one of my ancient thread on OT, that starts with "I know this is a 7 year old post"... wow! So much time since I was involved in this fan restoration world, still it seems yesterday I released my first project (actually, more than 6 years ago...). But, at the same time, it seems forever.

I must admit movie restoration is not only a simple hobby, is a way of life - kinda - I'm sure someone here think the same.

It is good to see old friends still here, sad to see some are offline since a long time; also it's rewarding to see new members starting to interact in this forum with great passion - they are not many, and it was expected; but they are more than I thought, so I'm happy!

End of thoughts for today... feel free to post your own!

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  Hello all
Posted by: Deafmobil - 2019-03-03, 08:40 PM - Forum: Presentation - Replies (5)

I am Deaf from Germany. My English not perfect. I understand minimal English.
My Hobby is Playstation 4 and Video Dubbing.

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  Automatic subtitle synchronization
Posted by: Colek - 2019-03-02, 01:57 AM - Forum: General technical discussions - Replies (2)

https://github.com/smacke/subsync

Very interesting algorithm that synchronizes subtitles to your video automatically based on audio analysis. And it can be integrated into VLC as well!

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  The Beyond (1981) – 7 Doors of Death Preservation
Posted by: LucasGodzilla - 2019-03-01, 10:57 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help - Replies (27)

(2020-06-12, 06:32 AM)LucasGodzilla Wrote: I would like to announce that I have a 16 GB MKV made! If you would like to download it, please shoot me a PM!

Special thanks to Alleycat for providing me VHS reference material and to SpaceBlackKnight for being able to digitally upmix the audio to a 4-Track mix (though I hope to get Sporv to do it someday in the future with his hardware for an analog variation of the mix).

Just as a heads up, this is a revised version of an old thread I made on this topic. Originally I wanted to just restore this cut with footage from the best-looking blu-ray release of the movie with the hopes of having it sync up with a VHS source (which as of 6/11/20 has been made available to download). HOWEVER, as mentioned in a more recent post, I'm in touch with a collector who owns a print of this cut and can theoretically have it scanned.

Now admittedly I would have to ask more on the print condition itself but I still think this is a fantastic opportunity for fans of the movie since it'd not only be an opportunity to see a unique version of the movie in 4K HD, but it's also an opportunity to see how the photochemical color grading looked back in the day (supposing it's unfaded) and it'd very likely end up being a better source of the audio track than any of the home media releases thus far.

So with all that said, if anyone does want to donate towards a 35mm scan of the Seven Doors Of Death Cut, by all means, reply to the thread and I'll jot it down. After all, I don't plan on actually taking the proceeds until nearing the end of the aforementioned $825 goal.

Now for those of you who are unfamiliar with The Beyond, it is an Italian supernatural zombie horror movie directed by Lucio Fulci in 1981 and is considered to be a cult masterpiece.

Now with that said, there's something I discovered that's quite fascinating to me. In the United States, The Beyond was released two years after its initial theatrical run in a heavily edited cut of the movie retitled as 7 Doors of Death. Now despite it being the only version one could get ahold of back in the days of VHS, it seems to be nonexistent nowadays ever since the uncut Anchor Bay release of it in the late 90s.


What made this cut unique was not only how some of the movie's Fulci-trademarked gore scenes were censored to ensure an R-rating, but the pacing was sped up along with other changes. The movie was also completely rescored, nixing the memorably grand Fabio Frizzi soundtrack with a more traditionally 80s synthesizer soundtrack.


I'm not gonna go into too much detail on the actual editing differences though since there's this video that explains it better.


My hopes right now are that I'll be able to get my hands on a decent rip of this version of the movie and be able to reconstruct this cut of the movie using my lossless rip of the Grindhouse restoration as high-def footage with the ripped audio synced to the edit. Unfortunately though, I can't seem to be able to get my hands on a rip of the 7 Doors cut at this time. As far as I know, the only home media release of this cut were pan-and-scan VHS tapes which is unfortunate since even if I were to purchase a tape online, I wouldn't have any of the right equipment to rip the tape. However, I have heard that there is a widescreen telecine of one of the original theatrical prints floating around the internet according to a YouTube comment on the video I posted above.

Glen Wilcox Wrote:Unearthed a wide transfer of the 7 doors version... I bring it out now and then from a nostalgic fondness for having initially grown up with it, but of course the international cut is FAR superior.

Not on an official release. Someone had a 35mm about 12 years ago and offered it to a friend... To push it because the print was very clean they handed him a five minute telecine that was beautiful. Some dealer in Big reel. i suspect they ran the whole thing because the wide rip turned up on a share site shortly after and it looked same but was all there. i just nabbed it and moved on. Quality is barely a click above VHS looks like it may have been pulled to SVHS or 3/4"  of some kind... But it's there and not terrible.

I'm trying to contact him about this transfer but I was hoping if some of y'all would have this floating around since it'd be easier and likely better to use than the pan-and-scan transfer. On top of this, I may even throw in a regrade on top of all this since if it is a telecine of the print, it'd have the original colors–obviously. The original color grade for the movie seems to be somewhat in the air since although Grindhouse does a nice job restoring the movie in HD, they seemed to have altered the colors rather weirdly in some areas, most notably in the opening and some areas in the hospital.

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In fact, to be perfectly blunt, I think that VHS tape footage used in the video has probably more accurate colors than either the two releases I've compared above since one is incredibly neutral and the other does wild things with it. The biggest thing one should take note is the blue lighting, which is quite prevalent in the VHS but not to the point of it looking overtly artificial. Of course though, I can't be too sure without the footage to check, but y'all get my drift hopefully.

If someone can send me a rip of this version of the movie or if I find it floating around, I would happily spend a bit of time fiddling around in Da Vinci Resolve in the future to recreate this antiquated cut for nostalgia / oddity seekers.

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  Hi
Posted by: Inq81 - 2019-02-28, 03:00 AM - Forum: Presentation - Replies (4)

Hello I'm a movie collector from California I have been collecting fanedits and some workprints for 12 years. I unfortunately I don't know how to edit movies myself but if I can provide something to help I hope I can. I'm glad to have found this forum and very interested in the projects here thank you.

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Lightbulb DTS Cinema and channel levels
Posted by: borisanddoris - 2019-02-25, 07:19 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help - Replies (4)

Greetings all,

After a long hiatus I have jumped head first back into cinema DTS rips with a couple projects.  Since I could not remember all the knowledge on the process, specifically the channel levels, I decided to go seek out official DTS sources as well as SMPTE documentation (SMPTE RP200) on cinema sound levels.  

From what I gather, systems are calibrated to achieve the following:

LCR: 85dB
Surround: 82dB
Subwoofer: +10dB in-band gain compared to the mains.

DTS' documentation seems to indicate that levels are recorded taking this into account (as was Dolby Digital and SDDS).  Thus the levels should be:

LCR: 85dB
Surround: 82dB
Subwoofer: 91dB for films after Jan 1, 1999.  Prior to 1999, they should be 88dB.

After parsing through threads here and OT.com, I don't see a mention of adjustment on the sub channel at all to account for this difference in levels.  The question is, what have you all done on your DTS Cinema projects?

Thanks ahead of time!

BandD

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  [remux] The Legend of Hell House (1973) BDrip/ Dolby 4.0 DVD audio rip
Posted by: TreyW - 2019-02-24, 11:32 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help - Replies (8)

For some strange reason the Blu Ray only includes the original mono audio track and not the Dolby 4.0 Surround remix that was done for the DVD release. If there was ever a movie that benefits from a surround sound mix, this is it. I've hunted high and low for a DVDrip that includes the dolby mix so I could strip the audio track and remux it with a good BDrip, but I've never been able to find one. Any help would be appreciated.

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  [No Longer Available] Top Gun Open Matte (Quick Project)
Posted by: PDB - 2019-02-22, 06:45 PM - Forum: Released - Replies (74)

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Top Gun Open Matte (Quick Project v3.0)

Project Info:
With the news of the new Top Gun 2 shooting, I wanted to revisit the original as I haven't seen it in a decade or so. I was content to wait for jerryshadoe's project but he seems to have not been active on the site in some time (hope he is ok). What I took away from his postings was the 2.39 version has too tight of head room. With that in mind I (second open matte was x5’s) tracked down the Bluebird Amazon open matte Web-DL. Although I love scope format, I had to agree with him that the old S35 transfer was tight and the open matte looked better, especially for the aerial shots.

From there I was ready to mux in the LD's PCM and watch until, on close inspection, I found out the open matte has a few problems.

First it has a ton of blocking and compression artifacts on the video.

Compression artifacts example
100x/200x
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Finished (Deblock, Noise removal, etc)
100x/200x
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The open matte also uses the new (3D) color timing which I have no problem with outside of the pervasive red blanket over the picture. For that, I removed the red bias and balanced the highlights slightly away from yellow. Now the picture is still warm/yellow but now lack the blistering skin tones as they now tend to orange instead of red and the picture overall has more blue in it.

Orig/CC'd (some of the more extreme examples I could find)
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One thing I couldn't fix are the blown highlights, they come with the original Web-DL. Overall this project is not perfect (it is a quick project) but much, much better then the original open matte. As a last step, I took out the Paramount 100 Years studio logo at the beginning and replaced it with a vintage era logo.

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For sound, I kept the OM's DTS 5.1 but added jerryshadoe's LD PCM sync (which sounds fantastic) and used Chewtobacca's re-sync timing. The existing EAC-3 and the BD soundtrack were mixed in.

Addendum: also added in the Widescreen LD’s AC-3. Rumored to culled from the 70mm tracks (thanks Zoidberg).

Finally, spoRv gave my a copy of his YAO subs which when turned on will mask the 1.77 picture down to the theatrical 2.39. FYI, the new logo at the beginning will be over cropped incorrectly but the rest of the movie works ok.


Video:
Bluebird Amazon open matte Web-DL (thanks X5) with de-blocking, noise removal and slight color correction. Plus studio logo and English title replacements (via another open matte source)

Audio:
1. PCM 2.0 Dolby Surround (from the widescreen LD, synced by jerry)
2. Dolby Digital 5.1 (from the widescreen LD, synced by zoidberg)
3. Dolby Digital+/EAC-3 5.1 (Original Web-DL Track)
4. DTS-HD MA 6.1 (from the BD)

Subs:
1. English
2. spoRv's YAO subs to watch the 1.77 open matte video in 2.39 mode (note the Paramount logo will be cropped with these subs on but the rest should play out just fine)

Pics:

Final MKV Pics
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YAO Subs
Open Matte/2.39 YAO subs
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Collaborators and Thanks (In order of help):
jerryshadoe: for the PCM rip and sync
Chewtobacca: for the re-sync calculation
spoRv: for the YAO subs
Doombot: for previewing the MKV and advice
X5gb: for a second better open matte source.
Zoidberg: for the AC-3 cap and sync from the widescreen LD

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