Looking for the "right" Terminator 2 color grading...

[spoRv]

The idea of using few 35mm frames as reference to make a lut for the whole movie was an idea I had since long ago, and you proved it could work; of course, the more frames, the closer colors

I wonder if it's possible to do that in avisynth.

By the way, great job! And I understand your "status" where you put a project apart, and then suddenly return back to it with a fresh mind and new ideas or techniques... this forum help me to find new ways to do the things, or new things to do at all... I hate you all, do you know?

[Chewtobacca]

I hate you all, do you know?

The feeling's mutual, you panettone-eating video-vulture.

[spoRv]

I hate you all, do you know?

The feeling's mutual, you panattone-eating video-vulture.  

Actually is panEttone, and I prefer pandoro, but I love you, too!

And now, all back on topic - let the jokes confined in the shoutbox...

[The Aluminum Falcon]

Amazing work you have there, PDB. Thank you for going into detail about your process involving using an LUT. It's quite intricate, but the results look to be quite worth it!

[TServo2049]

I hope the forthcoming remaster is timed to match the original. Cue to thousands screaming of teal on the internet again lol

Well, if it turns out like T1 and Aliens, those people will be both right (that it's too teal/green and orange) and wrong (that the color in the old transfers was the "correct" coloring). I imagine PDB's refined grade, but with the blues a few shades greener, and the skin tones a couple shades more orange...

[Stamper]

Yes somehow BD compression messes with the masters, as people who have seen T1 and Aliens on DCP can attest.

My guess is those were color timed in 4K, and then they let the company handle the repackaging and reformat into Blu, where the greenish tint occured.

So hopefully, the 4K releases of those films will fix the tints.

[zoidberg]

I too have wondered if the blanket green tints on some blu rays are to do with incorrect colour space conversions, as opposed to 'director's intent'.

[PDB]

Awesome, you nailed it! Is the refined grade the final? Cause the one where you fixed the white balance, the whites are burned. I prefer the refined, the fixed look like a TV movie.

You can see why the changes were made: the original looks dark on a crt TV and Cameron wanted people to actually see the faces and details. I hope the forthcoming remaster is timed to match the original. Cue to thousands screaming of teal on the internet again lol

The refined is what will be used, I'm just making sure it looks consistent with the new 35mm pics.

The idea of using few 35mm frames as reference to make a lut for the whole movie was an idea I had since long ago, and you proved it could work; of course, the more frames, the closer colors

I wonder if it's possible to do that in avisynth.

By the way, great job! And I understand your "status" where you put a project apart, and then suddenly return back to it with a fresh mind and new ideas or techniques... this forum help me to find new ways to do the things, or new things to do at all... I hate you all, do you know?

Thanks, I think...not sure

Amazing work you have there, PDB. Thank you for going into detail about your process involving using an LUT. It's quite intricate, but the results look to be quite worth it!

Thanks also Falcon.

I'm going to continue this regrade conversation back my original thread:

https://fanrestore.com/thread-588.html


(I might have to look at T1, since Servo gave me a lot of pics for that too)

[spoRv]

I have just a part of the squeezed LD capture - about the first 10 minutes and 15 seconds, and, after I watched PDB's color grading, I decided to have fun regrading the latter, using the squeezed LD as color reference.

Top: PDB's regrade/Middle: PDB's luma, LD matched chroma/Bottom: LD untouched

































As you can see, some shots are pretty close, while others are really different. Also, there is some space for quality improvement, like using original non-previously regraded version, a better capture, a denoised one.

[MrBrown]

Mhm.. your regrade looks very interesting, spoRv.

Would be nice to see what you could do to the whole movie, after the LD was ripped best possible.

Even if the grading is not the theatrical, it is still some interesting Version.