[Cancelled] Mad Max 2/Road Warrior Regrade (Warner 97 DVD and LD)

[DoomBot]

Wow, why did you think PDB deserved a response like that? There's nothing that he even said wrong yet here you are slamming him for no reason. We're supposed to all get along with each other, not be rude to one another.
I thought we were supposed to get back on topic already?

[Lil Brutto]

Do I sense some disunity?

[CSchmidlapp]

Just my 2 cents PDB.

I think I prefer the DVD, I say 'I Think' because the saturation is spot on to me but it has (Skin tones mostly) a little to much red/purple to it. I've never had the chance to see Mad Max 2 on 35mm so I have no idea what is right. It's always been one of my favourite films and my memory from watching over some 25 years is deep blue sky and super red desert, with Mel Looking a little Sun burnt throughout.
Maybe a compromise between the two is best?

The blue tint night scenes are interesting, Its not something I noticed being different when I viewed the Bluray. If the Blu was indeed taken straight from negatives with no timing correction done to match the release 'approved' final colour timming, this has to be right doesn't it?

I have had Jonno's PCM audio synced to kk650's release and it is worth including it with yours if you can. Although I seem to remember it was much louder on the left channel and had to do a manual pan to centre it more. Is this how it was on the Laser-disc Jonno?

[kk650]

Wow, why did you think PDB deserved a response like that? There's nothing that he even said wrong yet here you are slamming him for no reason. We're supposed to all get along with each other, not be rude to one another.
I thought we were supposed to get back on topic already?

And ignoring the feedback that another releaser gives you in the previous post to yours while thanking someone else is not rude?

It's not the first time he's done it either, though he said it wasn't on purpose that time. It certainly was this time though. So respectfully I have to disagree with you here DoomBot, PDB's childish and rude post got exactly the response it deserved.

I'm the first guy to want to get along with everybody, collaboration is what this site is supposed to be about after all, but when someone like PDB is making that impossible and constantly going out of their way to offend, especially when hes supposed to be maintaining the peace as a mod, one has no choice but to reply, regardless of whether its on topic or not.

Lets see whether he can actually step up to the plate, apologise for his childish and incredibly rude behavior and start acting like a mature mod, hell, like a mature adult, but I don't hold much hope of that. More than likely i'll just have to give his releases a wide berth in future, based on his current behavior no releaser has ever been less worthy of my time.

[PDB]

This is a long one

I have exercised extreme patience but I now feel compelled to calmly say something. Even now I can hear my mother's voice in my head,"take the high road" be christian to others. I will focus on one word you used here kk650: respect. You talk about respect kk650 but I feel you have been disrespectful to me. I'm fine with that. I'm a big boy I can take it. But when you disrespect other people in my thread I feel the need to defend. To speak out.

So now we get into a little back story, so everyone knows why kk650 has a perceived vendetta against me. I don't want to make this personal but all business. I feel the need to do this because I received a few emails from people asking why kk650 keeps angrily posting in my thread. A couple months back I received several complaints in a PM from kk650. He was angry that I failed to thank him and acknowledge the advice he gave me in my Alien thread. I explained I missed it when I was uploading a video, thanking Andrea for advice but not him. It was a simple fault on my part that I freely admit. He refused to believe that. He felt I purposely ignored him. Why I would do that, I have no idea. I had talked to him on the OT and thought we shared similar ideas about regrading and he seemed like a friendly fellow with good ideas. Hos second grievance was concerning his Once Upon A Time in America thread. I posted in that thread that his work looked interesting and I'd give it a look. I said this with all respect since I liked his work, otherwise why post at all. He took this as an insult because I didn't muster enough enthusiasm. The words I thought I used where familiar and friendly, how anyone would chat with a friend or in this case someone who's work you respect. Nope in kk650 eyes it was a deep insult, a disregard for his work. Apparently, he thought this was the final straw in a long grudge between us. One I didn't even know of or that I was a part of. He claimed I was out to get him, that I wanted to know his home address. That government agencies could be watching, listening and that opened him up to attack. It was strange and bizarre. Frankly, I had never read anything like it.

When he didn't get what he wanted, he went and complained to Andrea. Andrea, bless his heart doesn't want a fight on his new site. When he first emailed me about his idea for this site I thought it was a great idea. A place for people to share ideas and come up with the best projects and ideas possible. That's why I joined, that's why I wanted to be a mod (although I'm little help as a mod). I thought this site was a wonderful idea. Not limited to Star Wars like the OT but any project. Even now I'm excited since there are many cool thing to come. Frankly, kk650 was someone Andrea always wanted on this site, same with me. I have at least a dozen of his projects and have always loved his work, especially in removing the green tint in modern movies. Besides Andrea and Team Blu, kk650's work was one of those things that inspired me to try and regrade movies. Its when you see something and say I want to do that too.

With that in mind, I thought we would get along swimmingly. I was clearly wrong and for that I take full blame. I don't know what conversation transpired between Andrea and kk650, I'm sure they will chime in. Andrea asked me to apologize, that the problem was just a language barrier between two people that speak English. Be the bigger man. So I swallowed my pride and apologized. That was not enough. I was lectured at length about respect. Conferring again with Andrea I apologized again. I altered my posting to his tastes. All so this site could flourish with the right people. It sounds corny but it really was for the higher goal of getting this site moving. Its Andrea's baby but I feel vested in it. I lost track of how many times I apologized, maybe three, who knows and at the end kk650 accepted but claimed that it would be a long time before he offered his advice to me again or posted in my threads.

That lasted a couple of weeks and he started posting again in my threads. I was very wary. Don't point the stick at the beehive. I  business-like thanked him for each post or thanked him as part of a group. All seemed well. Then I posted this Mad Max 2 and something changed. First why I'm doing this. I'm use to the DVD of Mad Max 2. To me that's how the movie should be. The BD doesn't look right and it isn't right. I've seen a 35mm print, I know it for a fact. So looking around the OT and seeing that Andrea was busy with another project, I started my regrade:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.c...51/page/6/

but I was slow, learning as I went. kk650 started his regrade, caught up and completed his grade before I could finish 15% of mine. Seeing his work was completed, I put mine aside and decide to try Alien. Why go any further, he is a better grader then you.

Then I saw that amazing trailer for Fury Road and wanted to go watch MM2 again. I watched kk650 regrade vs the (crappy) DVD and there was a color difference. What if I could go back and finish MM2 so it was as close as I could be to the DVD? I already had about 25% done. I could add the Saul Bass logo, I could add Jonno's PCM 2.0, give it a uniqueness to kk650's regrade. So I posted here, to see if there was interest and started. Something strange happened, kk650 started calling people to criticism, attacking people who didn't agree, saying this color is wrong or unnatural even thought the goal was the look of the DVD and that is how the DVD looked. Then arguing over one word. One word. I wrote some responses. Some of them angry, some calm but I erased them. Keep the peace, you are a mod I kept saying and deleted those responses. kk650 called for return to the subject. Great we can get back on subject. Nope a reversal again. Another call for an apology.

I'm not trying to win people over to my side. Just stating the facts. People can ignore my posting and read this thread for themselves. Make up their own minds. Pro or con. Just know, I love this movie. If someone like Andrea or Teamblu decided to grade against the DVD today, I would stop in a heartbeat. Full of the knowledge that their work would be better then mine. I'm far from perfect and I can't guarantee a perfect product. I'm still learning as I go. All I want is the best version of MM2. DVD (or now LD) colors and HD resolution and details. Theatrical PCM 2.0 sound. Doesn't that sound cool. Wouldn't you like to see that? Since no one is currently working on that version, I decided to try. I could do it in a vacuum or just give it to a few people but I post here because I want the best version I can possible make. And that worked since I have gotten so much help and great advice from people here.

This thread is now ruined, all the joy killed. I'm not sure why kk650 is posting what he is, why he is so angry. I might never know but if the goal was to drain all the joy out of this, its mission accomplished. This whole thing is embarrassing. I have a life, a family, a job. This is my fun, this is my downtime, fighting the stresses of the day and frankly I don't need this shit.

With regards to the members of fanres

[Stamper]

Ah, don't let that put you down. I expect your regrade so get on it lol. All you restorations seems cool and different enough from the others to warrant existence.

[kk650]

I have no vendetta against you PDB and have never gone out of my way to insult you as you just did to me in your previous post so blatently. You don't even know the meaning of respect is, only to offend and then hide behind excuses when the hens come home to roost.

Your explanation of my supposed 'vendetta' against you is the worst piece of fiction i've ever read, your interpretation of my motivations laughable. Hate to break it to you but i'm far too busy juggling work commitments, a young family and my own regrades to have time to bear grudges against guys like you on the internet. 'Angry posts'? Don't make me laugh, all i've ever tried to do is help you in this thread, always providing valuable feedback and how do you repay that? With childish petulant comments, ignoring the feedback of others and offending those helping you.

The only issue here is that you didn't like being called up on your offensive behaviour the first time and for some reason have borne a grudge against me ever since, however much I try to help you. Perhaps its because you're angry about me finishing my Mad Max 2 regrade so quickly while you were working on yours, I have no idea, but DoomBot requested that I regrade that film so I felt I had to move quickly to fulfil that request because I owe him a great deal, I had no idea you were working on your own, I certainly wasn't trying to show you up. I had thought that everything was resolved but it seems you still have an axe to grind and you won't let go. My life is complicated enough without having to engage with guys like you going out of their way to offend.

For Andrea's sake I think its best to try to maintain the peace here at fanres and with your current offensive behavior the only way I can see that happening is if I no longer participate in any of your release threads and I would kindly ask you do the same with all my release threads.

[CSchmidlapp]

Apparently there has been a 35mm restoration of Mad Max 2.
Some interesting videos linked in the article also.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/70747

[DoomBot]

That's some awesome news CSchmidlapp! Let's hope they did it justice.

[CSchmidlapp]

That's some awesome news CSchmidlapp! Let's hope they did some justice for it.

Yes. Would be grate to get a short re-release of the originals around the hype for 'Fury Road'