The Great Silence (1968) [SW] Grindhouse (35mm-German)

[PDB]

According to dvdcompare.net, the JP BD has PAL speed-up.  A video+audio capture of LD BELL-903 might be the way to go. Does anyone have it?

Here is the info for the Japanese BD Upscale. Short answer, it looks to be 1080i 29.97fps

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=30
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 42mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Maximum bit rate : 38.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : MBAFF
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 42mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : Unknown / 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy
Title : Lossless
Language : Italian
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 42mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 509 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.08 GiB (5%)
Title : 3/2+1
Language : Italian
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #3
ID : 4
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 42mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : Unknown / 768 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy
Title : Lossless
Language : Italian
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #4
ID : 5
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 42mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 768 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 561 MiB (2%)
Title : 2/0
Language : Italian
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #5
ID : 6
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 42mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : Unknown / 768 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy
Title : Lossless
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Audio #6
ID : 7
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 42mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 768 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 561 MiB (2%)
Title : 2/0
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Menu
00:00:00.000 : en:Chapter 00
00:05:33.666 : en:Chapter 01
00:07:55.241 : en:Chapter 02
00:13:34.213 : en:Chapter 03
00:18:26.472 : en:Chapter 04
00:25:21.353 : en:Chapter 05
00:33:55.967 : en:Chapter 06
00:39:57.762 : en:Chapter 07
00:48:18.295 : en:Chapter 08
00:51:40.530 : en:Chapter 09
01:02:27.777 : en:Chapter 10
01:12:18.901 : en:Chapter 11
01:20:06.668 : en:Chapter 12
01:24:51.352 : en:Chapter 13
01:29:00.001 : en:Chapter 14
01:42:06.120 : en:Chapter 15

I'd definitely like to make this a project. I'd like to color correct the HD restoration to the "Grindhouse" and sync the English soundtrack to it (and then maybe sync the English to the "grindhouse" also). Just have to find or buy a copy.

When is this suppose to be released by Kino?

[Chewtobacca]

That's great news! How does the English mono sound?

The DE disc is out now.

[PDB]

Looks like the US disc just got announced:

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=23126

I'm sure it's the same restoration but of course no German "Grindhouse" scan...

[marin888]

You probably know already, but what do you say about colors on new BD (4k)?

US release, and they didn't include uncompressed English audio.... 
Audio: Italian / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 2304 kbps / 24-bit
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare...ilence.htm
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Great...creenshots

[marin888]

Picture comparison between the German and the US Blu-ray:
http://4kcompare.bplaced.net/comp_twnty.php?id=34

[NeonBible]

Hmm I was going to pick up the US BD, but now I'm not so sure. Seems lack of contrast and muted colours, but perhaps more detail.

[MrBrown]

I like the german colors a bit more.
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=12068&d2=11144&c=4427

especially, when the skin tone and the wall seems more similar on the US:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=627...0&i=0&go=1

Even if the US is a bit sharper.
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=607...0&i=3&go=1

[marin888]

US vs Grindhouse
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=12068&d2=11146&c=4427


A lot of SW released in Germany have same problem (Cold Colors).
I like these classic movies because of the old warm colors.

My Name Is Pecos (1966)

Wild East US DVD (Blu-Ray) vs Koch Media DE DVD
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparis...?id=121231

Here is old VHS/DVD screens
https://forum.spaghetti-western.net/t/my...66/1832/44

Isn't this looking more like 35mm?
But a lot of details is crushed.
https://i.imgur.com/LejWXPH.png
https://i.imgur.com/an1rbdO.png
https://i.imgur.com/pOQ89rO.png

Edit:
I was completely wrong about Colors on WE DVD, they are terrible.
It looks like VHS2DVD.
More than 60% of details is completely lost.

[marin888]

TEST BLU-RAY : Le spécialiste (Gli Specialisti) - UHD - Director: Sergio Corbucci
Screenshots
http://retro-hd.com/tests/blu-ray/2635-l...liste.html

Only one bad and not complete English audio is available online.

I hope Kino or Arrow can do something about this.

[Chewtobacca]

The US BD is not in sync with the DE one. It would take quite a few edits to sync the English track from the former to the latter, and I'm not sure it's worth it.  Here are some spectograms.

Top: R1 DVD
Bottom: US BD





Yes, I know that I haven't matched the levels, but they are so different that I don't really know what to do with them.  The audio on the US BD shows signs of having had the hum from a CRT monitor removed, so it's probably been processed to the extent, but that doesn't mean that it's necessarily bad in other any way. The R1 DVD is even harder to sync to the DE BD; it's a real pain in the neck.  It seems that the DE BD is sourced from very different elements from all the US releases.

It's probably best to track down the LD and get the PCM from that.  It will probably be just as hard to sync, but it's more likely to be worth the effort.

Apart from the inferior colors, I wonder what people's thoughts are on the US BD.  It has a higher bitrate and shows more picture information.  PDB, is it worth regrading the US BD?