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| La Strada (1954) StudioCanal BD Mono Synced to Criterion BD |
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Posted by: axeyou - 2023-07-05, 01:32 AM - Forum: Released
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Thanks to @xwmario for sourcing the SC BD! This is now synced (with tremendous effort) to the Criterion BD which has superior PQ. Please see the quoted post for AQ comparisons.
Input: PCM, 2.0 mono, 1536 kbps, 48 kHz, 16 bits
Output: FLAC, 2.0 mono, 339 kbps, 48 kHz, 16 bits
Notes on the sync: - Italian cinema at the time frequently had dialog dubbed in post. La Strada is no exception. Additionally, AFAIK some of the actors weren't Italian and spoke their native language on set. Their lines were then dubbed to Italian, so there is no "lipsync" to speak of. This affords us some wiggle room in A/V sync, but since most of us need subtitles, it's still necessary to sync to Criterion's audio somewhat closely to align with subtitle timing.
- Criterion BD is 23.976 fps; StudioCanal is 24 fps. Speed adjusted with SoX.
- The two BDs are not frame accurate at all (different restorations). They keep drifting apart throughout the film, which greatly impeded syncing.
- There are also two or three instances where the SC BD somehow misses a word or two in the middle of a line.
- Considering all these factors, I synced this by waveform instead of by editing around where frames diverged. I must have made hundreds of small edits in order to align the two tracks. A vast majority of these edits are simple trims and duplication of silence, but I had to use Izotope RX a few times to interpolate gaps (Spectral Repair) where the SC BD missed more than a couple hundred ms and there was no easy way to duplicate a nearby clip without introducing artifacts. Luckily this worked remarkably well.
- I suspect the two audios may be different mixes. Maybe one or both of the restorations reconstructed the mono mix from discrete dialog, sound effect, and music stems?
- For example, during a line of dialog between 01:03:11 and 01:03:14, there is a constant bird chirping in the background, but three words are absent on the SC track.
- Another oddity: between 01:08:18 and 01:08:26, there's a line of dialog over background music. The SC track started being behind Criterion, but ended ahead. Either there is speed adjustment baked in in the master, or the two tracks are different mixes.
PM me for a link. I hope you enjoy Fellini's masterpiece, now in the best PQ and AQ to-date!
(2023-06-24, 12:06 AM)axeyou Wrote: Moshrom/Blah-ray previously compared Criterion DVD, Optimum DVD, and StudioCanal BD. The SC BD was the winner. https://blah-ray.blogspot.com/2018/03/la...-1954.html
I've just ripped my Criterion BD from the Essential Fellini boxset. Here's its spectrogram matching Moshrom's settings (not level-matched to previous BD/DVD but likely doesn't matter given how obviously filtered it is):
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Moshrom's spectrogram of the SC BD:
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Four-way comparison: https://slow.pics/c/2ABxGJwi
As usual, the Criterion BD features additional filtering in both the high and low frequencies.
Does anyone have the SC BD's mono track (preferably with video for an easier sync)? If not, I can grab a used copy and attempt syncing, but it may be a long time before it gets to me.
Thanks!
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| Rhino is here! |
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Posted by: Rhino97 - 2023-07-04, 04:08 AM - Forum: Presentation
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I'm new here, I know a thing or two about encoding and grading. Thanks for letting me create an account, cant wait to get the links.
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| Go-to method for VHS capture |
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Posted by: Kreeep - 2023-07-02, 04:13 PM - Forum: Capture and rip
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I have a decent enough VCR I believe. What would be the best and/or easiest means to capture VHS? Also curious what filtering processes ought to be performed during capturing or after the fact. Thanks.
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| Attack Of The Clones 35mm theatrical |
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Posted by: 2001CluelessDianogas - 2023-07-01, 06:05 AM - Forum: In progress
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Interestingly, despite AOTC having been apparently shot mostly on cameras that only had REC709 color gamut, it seems that many SFX expanded to wide gamut colors, at least for cyan/aqua/turquoise type colors and they seem to have also maybe gone in post and made the Pantoran(?) on the left of the first set of images look way more intense than sRGB/REC709 standard gamut colors can show.
Also interesting and weird, is that the UHD release, although it should be able to show wide gamut colors easily, does not seem to show these wide gamut cyan/aqua/turquoise colors much, if at all, and it almost seems like they locked the post theatrical release workflow for AOTC (and think maybe all three prequels) into standard gamut REC709 at some early point and are now stuck with it?? Either that or maybe the transfer to print film simply way hyped up some of the colors in that part of the spectrum and that is not how it was intended to look even if it was how most people saw AOTC most or all of the time. But it sort of seems almost like they clipped the colors at some point and got stuck with that unless they go back from scratch and rebuild all the post theatrical changes made to the prequels?
Here are some demos that show the differences between how AOTC looks when you have wide gamut color palette available vs. when it is restricted to sRGB/REC709 color palette (of course you need to use fully color-managed browser/viewer and have a wide gamut display set to wide gamut display mode with proper display profile installed in order to see the differences, and in some cases, to even see the WG labelled images properly at all). For each pair SG is first and WG is second (should be obvious on a properly set up wide gamut display):
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| The Warriors (1979) Theatrical Original Mono |
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Posted by: brad86 - 2023-06-30, 10:48 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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I imported the German Mediabook release a few years ago, which does contain a 2.0 track, but I'm not sure on the source used. I don't believe it is a simple mixdown, but I also don't think it's the original track.
I'm looking for the early laderdisc mono, or DVD track if the latter is confirmed to be the original track.
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