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| Cinderella (1950) LD [4964 CS] Audios Synced to Disney UHD |
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Posted by: Trollking1 - 2023-06-14, 07:52 PM - Forum: Released
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Original Mono, Music and Effects Mono, Stereo Remix from LD [4964 CS] synced to UHD.
Since I don't want to create two duplicate threads for this movie, I also included as bonus the mono from previous Diamond Blu-ray synced to UHD.
All these to be shared by pm.
All these are in FLAC (24 bits for mono BD, the rest 16 bit), Stereo Remix is 2.0; the rest 1.0.
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| Le Corbeau / The Raven (1943) Optimum UK DVD Synced to StudioCanal / Criterion BD |
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Posted by: axeyou - 2023-06-14, 10:04 AM - Forum: Released
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Here's an audio sync for another classic but lesser-known title. Before Diabolique (1955) & Wages of Fear (1953), Henri-Georges Clouzot directed Le Corbeau in 1943, under Nazi occupation of France. It almost derailed his career post-war, when Clouzot was accused of collaborating with the Nazis. But this film is anything but collaborationist, it served as an allegory to expose a society devoid of morality.
Picture quality first:
I took some screen caps comparing Criterion and StudioCanal's BDs. They are sourced from the same 4K restoration. To my eyes, grain on Criterion appears slightly more defined, so the Criterion BD is what I'll be syncing audio to. See M A's comments below. Criterion is actually sharpened a bit and has compression artifacts. I've added a sync to target StudioCanal as well.
Caps: https://slow.pics/c/h9sZull5
Now, audio:
Let's start with the 2005 Optimum (UK) DVD, slowed down to 23.976 fps. It's very hissy, but very detailed. There are some distortions during loud music, e.g. during opening, and artifacts elsewhere, but nothing I can't stand.
![[Image: hiiMSSd.png]](https://i.imgur.com/hiiMSSd.png)
Next up is the 2004 Criterion DVD.
Criterion DVD Booklet Wrote:The soundtrack was mastered at 24-bit from a digital monaural mix, and audio restoration tools were used to reduce clicks, pops, hiss, and crackle.
Criterion applied a high-pass filter and some more filtering in the upper frequencies. It still sounds ok, but slightly worse than the Optimum DVD.
![[Image: 5giD44b.png]](https://i.imgur.com/5giD44b.png)
Had the audio "restoration" stopped here, the result would have been pretty respectable. But then Éclair restored the audio as part of a 4K restoration, and StudioCanal released that on BD in 2017.
Criterion BD Booklet Wrote:The original monaural soundtrack was also restored at Éclair, [...]
Whereas the DVD tracks used to boast detail up to ~15 kHz, everything is now cut off at ~8 kHz. Very muffled.
![[Image: M0nr4GL.png]](https://i.imgur.com/M0nr4GL.png)
Finally, we arrive at the Criterion BD, released in 2022.
Criterion BD Booklet Wrote:The original monaural soundtrack was also restored at Éclair, with additional restoration carried out by the Criterion Collection.
As usual, Criterion can't keep their fingers off the "filter" button, even when the input is already filtered. Additional high-pass filtering on top of an absurdly low-pass filtered track.
![[Image: 3WRXETv.png]](https://i.imgur.com/3WRXETv.png)
Flip between these spectrograms here: https://slow.pics/c/S8kaLqBN
Input: AC-3, 2.0 mono, 224 kbps, 48 kHz
Output: FLAC, 2.0 mono, 421 kbps, 48 kHz, 16 bits
Notes on the sync:- Optimum DVD is presented in 25 fps. I've slowed down the audio to 24/23.976 fps to match StudioCanal/Criterion BD's frame rate. Confirmed pitch through spectrogram afterwards--it matches theBDs.
- R channel at around 00:49:57 (SC BD timestamp) contains a very noticeable extra (digital?) artifact not present on L channel. There is another minor artifact only found on L channel at around 01:29:11 (SC BD timestamp) . I've patched in the opposite channel's signals during these two segments. The two channels are otherwise effectively identical, as confirmed by inverting the phase of R and downmixing to 1.0.
- There is a somewhat frequent "pop" (?) on the Optimum DVD track. I've detailed this at https://fanrestore.com/thread-5320.html. I fixed a few places before deciding to leave them as is because there are just too many instances. Hopefully you don't find them distracting. The Criterion DVD's high-pass filtering masks these somewhat, but they are still audible at places.
- I mostly synced by video. Where the frames diverged: 1) Optimum DVD has extra frame b/w Criterion BD timestamps 00:29:40.570-612, 2) DVD missed 1 frame during a dissolve b/w BD timestamps 00:49:47.067-00:50:23.812, 3) DVD missed 3 frames during another dissolve b/w BD timestamps 00:59:18.638-00:59:40.911, 4) DVD missed 1 frame b/w BD timestamps 00:59:40.911-952, 5) DVD missed 1 frame b/w BD timestamps 01:25:06.018-059.
- Criterion and StudioCanal's BDs are frame-wise identical, except that Criterion has an extra 456 frames at the beginning (Criterion & Janus logos).
PM me for a link. Enjoy!
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Posted by: youspoonybard - 2023-06-11, 02:50 AM - Forum: Presentation
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Bootleg restoration fan/hobbyist over here. Hope to one day contribute to this fine site, but for now will be content to poke around.
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| 12 Angry Men (1957) Criterion BD Synced to Kino UHD |
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Posted by: axeyou - 2023-06-10, 11:48 AM - Forum: Released
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Spectrograms show that Kino's mono track is identical or very similar to the German MGM BD, which makes sense, considering MGM likely supplied the audio.
Per Blah-ray, the German BD has additional filtering on top of Criterion BD, and Criterion is the least terrible of the bunch.
Although they both sound bad, I can say there is still an audible difference between the two tracks, especially in ambient sound like the constant rain outside. The rain actually sounds very different, e.g. around 1:04:45 (UHD timestamp), with Kino sounding muffled and lifeless in comparison to Criterion.
Notes on the sync: - Criterion BD is presented in 23.976 fps, while Kino UHD is 24 fps. I've sped up Criterion's audio to 24 fps.
- Criterion opens and closes with the MGM lion. Kino opens with United Artist logo instead. Well, I had to let go of that lion roar
- Criterion missed a frame in the middle of a shot (how??), between frames #102216, 102217. This is BD timestamps 1:11:03.259-1:11:03.301, or UHD timestamps 1:10:49.467-1:11:49.509.
- After accounting for the above, Criterion and Kino's A/V syncs still diverge very often, sometimes by up to 50-90ms. I've tried to compare them, but I found myself to be fairly tolerant of A/V desyncs. So, for simplicity, I've mostly kept to Criterion's sync seeing how nobody has complained in the >10 years since their BD came out.
Input: PCM, mono, 1152 kbps, 48 kHz, 24 bits
Output: FLAC (compression level 5), mono, 657 kbps, 48 kHz, 24 bits
PM me for a link. Enjoy!
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| Cinema Paradiso / Theatrical Cut (1988), 2013 Arrow BD Mono |
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Posted by: axeyou - 2023-06-05, 06:25 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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Moshrom covered this back in the day: https://blah-ray.blogspot.com/2018/01/ci...-1988.html
According to him, the PCM 2.0 mono on the now-OOP 2013 Arrow UK 25th Anniversary BD was basically flawless. Judging from the cover art, I'd guess the 2017 Arrow US BD is probably identical.
Unfortunately, the same can't be said for Arrow's 2020 UHD. It sports a PCM 1.0 track instead of the previous 2.0 mono, but Arrow didn't simply re-encode the previous master as 1.0. Below is a spectrogram of the UHD's mono (my own disc), compared against 2002 Spanish Lauren Films DVD (I came across it on the Russian site). I've tried to match the spectrogram settings on Blah-ray.
![[Image: xabUXbe.png]](https://i.imgur.com/xabUXbe.png)
And for reference, here's Moshrom's spectrogram of the 2013 Arrow BD:
![[Image: mFr52jT.png]](https://i.imgur.com/mFr52jT.png)
It's clear that Arrow applied a low-pass filter to their UHD beginning at ~16kHz. Corroborating this is professorwho's post on BR:
professorwho Wrote:The PCM mono track sounds pretty good. I did detect some minor noise reduction at points, but it’s nothing too severe to my untrained ears, at least.
So, does anyone still have the 2013 UK / 2017 US BD lying around and can capture the theatrical cut's mono track? I suspect it's already in sync with the UHD, since the 2002 Spanish DVD appears to be in sync with UHD.
Thanks!
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