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Toma 1973-1974 |
Posted by: alleycat - 2020-06-12, 07:39 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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Just wondered if anyone has ever seen a preservation of this police TV series starting Tony Musante? Doesn’t look like there has ever been a release in any format so guess it’s reliant on someone who recorded it.
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STILL GAME: reinstating the original music |
Posted by: pipefan413 - 2020-06-12, 04:13 PM - Forum: In progress
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![[Image: title.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/bwhJF8mh/title.png)
reinstating the original music
For those of us who watched it at the time, one of the most iconic elements of the Scottish TV comedy STILL GAME was the lovably naff theme tune:
As Tom Urie quite rightly says at the start of the documentary STILL GAME: The Story So Far, that theme was a big part of the experience of living in Scotland while that programme aired (the documentary is something else I'd like to preserve somehow, since so far I can only find it on YouTube in crap quality with a bit cut off the start).
... So you can imagine how annoyed I was to fairly recently discover that on both the current run of DVDs and on Netflix (which presumably is made from the same masters), they replaced that iconic theme tune with some dodgy library music that sounds vaguely like a knockoff of the theme from Terry Gilliam's BRAZIL:
It goes further than this, too. Some specific episodes also used licenced music, but for the DVD/Neftlix have had it removed and replaced with library music (e.g. Green Onions in one episode has been replaced by a dodgy but legally distinct knockoff). Presumably, then, this is all to avoid paying those who wrote the music that was originally used for broadcast. Notably, the theme tune is not fully original: it heavily features sampling from an existing piece of music. It wasn't until the show came back after an almost decade-long hiatus in 2016 that the theme was restored to Netflix versions of the episodes, courtesy of a re-recording (that therefore doesn't use any sampling) by the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra (as discussed here: https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/tv/st...e-11926005). Even then, the new theme only applies to the new episodes (series 7 onwards), not any of the old ones... which are still stuck with the library music.
This has been bugging me so I looked into it and found that the original Scottish DVD releases (pressed in Glasgow) actually *did* have the original music, not just for the theme, but for the other music that was replaced later as well e.g. Green Onions. They're also in the original UK TV PAL format at 25 fps (like all the Scottish/UK DVDs), whereas it looks like Netflix has NTSC conversions.
You'd perhaps assume that this would mean that you could just get the old DVDs and watch them as-is, which is mostly what my intention is moving forward, except that...
1. Series 1 is all on one single-layer disc, so the video quality is lower than series 2 onwards and the separate disc of Hogmanay and Christmas Specials (it's 6 approximately 30-minute episodes on a single ~4.38 GB DVD5 disc, so that's not hugely surprising). This is theoretically easily fixed though because the newer DVD version with the incorrect music is on a dual-layer DVD9, which presumably means it's also been encoded at quality more similar to the later DVD releases of the rest of the series.
2. Only the first 3 series (and, bizarrely, the fourth and final special on the Hogmanay/Christmas disc) have the original music on their first DVD pressings. From series 4 onwards, the programme started to gain some recognition outside of Scotland with limited broadcasts and a wider DVD release for the rest of the UK, which was when they started replacing everything with the library music (they also changed the format of the episode titles, making them less Scottish so that it wouldn't put non-Scots off, or something... which is daft for a show that's entirely centred around foul-mouthed Scottish pensioners). For the remaining 6 series and 3 specials, as far as I am aware, there is no available source for the original music unless they re-run them on iPlayer, and even then I don't have the means to capture audio unless it's done through my sound card (which will sound like crap and necessitate recording lossy encoded audio to PCM, significantly increasing file sizes). For series 1-3 and that one final 2007 special, the old DVDs have the original audio albeit only in 192 kbps Dolby AC-3 (stereo, it being from the days of SD TV).
3. I would have simply edited the original theme on to the beginning and end of the episodes for series 4 onwards that didn't get the original theme on DVD, but that wouldn't work because the music overlaps with other audio in every episode (it fades out as the episode starts and sound effects / dialogue become audible as the music is still playing; similar thing at the end credits).
4. I've just discovered that at least one episode (specifically series 6, episode 6/7) also has missing dialogue, at least on the Netflix version. Around 2 mins and 25 seconds in, Tam lifts some change out of the pub puggy and says something to two other characters, except that there is no audio whatsoever despite his lips moving and the characters reacting to what he said. Thus far, I don't know if the iPlayer version would have been the same or not, or if there's any DVD that fixes it. It's certainly the same on this one from YouTube, which I'm guessing is probably from a DVD:
In other words, all I can really do for the time being is restore the audio from the old series 1 DVD to the newer series 1 DVD in order to preserve a half-decent video encode alongside the original music. Series 4-6 and 3/4 of the specials will need to continue to exist with the library music for now. To do anything more than that, I'd need to find a viable source for the original audio, which would most likely require figuring out how the hell to extract audio from iPlayer (think "WEB-DL" rather than "WEBrip")... and they're not even on iPlayer right now anyway. Annoyingly, I think I just missed them as well: I recently noticed that some of the old episodes were back on iPlayer but most of them had already expired. Now, it's only series 7-9 that's still there.
If anybody thinks they might be in a position to help with this in any way, please PM me!
P.S. Just for good measure, by the way, the Netflix episodes are also in the wrong order and incomplete: most of the specials are missing, and the one that actually is included is put in completely the wrong place (far earlier than it aired) which causes a huge spoiler for later developments if you haven't seen it before!
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Project CRT (aka The CRT Project) |
Posted by: PDB - 2020-06-11, 10:18 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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Ok this thread is half a technical inquiry and half a project thread similar to my Upscale Project and 35 Project.
There is a long standing theory here on the forum that I always wanted to test. It was noticed some time ago that many video masters made from roughly late 90's to mid 2000s have a magenta (or red or pink) look to them when viewed on modern TVs. You can see it often once you know what to look for. White clouds that have a pink hue, faces that are red with high blood pressure, blues that looks more purple then blue, etc.
The thought as to why this happened is that the mastering monitors used to make these videos were CRTs. Those CRT monitors work a lot different then our modern screens and they tend to push very green and yellow. This likely happens because unlike modern panels which have color standards to achieve (Rec709, Rec2020), a lot of CRTs only had color temperature to work with (D65 or D93). In order to compensate the masters were pushed toward red in order to keep the white balance correct. That worked fine when we were in the world of CRTs but once the world migrated to flat panels these old masters took on a very magenta or reddish look.
The industry moved on to LCD in mid 2000s and then OLED panels. With that move the red bias went away. But the work was already done. In the run up and adoption of HD in the 2000s many studios quickly mastered their old movies and those masters still are being trotted out. You see it a lot with 20th Century Fox, Disney but I see it the most by MGM, who remastered in HD most of their film library in the early 2000s.
So this thread's goal is to try to prove if this theory is correct or not and if it is, to adjust some masters to reflect how they look on a CRT so you have the proper look on modern flat panels. So, step one is to get a CRT. Not just any CRT but one used in the mastering process. A Sony BVM, PVM or some such. That is a difficult proposition because those monitors are expensive since retrogamers like to play on them and I simply don't have the money to afford one. Luckily, I have a friend that had the perfect answer. An HDCRT mastering monitor in the Sony HDVS line that is useless to retrogamers as it will not do 240p or 480i. But it will do the HD resolutions that I need at D65. I borrowed the monitor, hooked it up to my laptop with its calibrated OLED screen and played a movie on both simultaneously. Now the iPhone I used to take the pics is skewing the colors a little (especially towards the red unfortunately) but these rough, rough pictures should let you know what I'm seeing till I break my DSLR out and replace the pics later with better examples.
Top is a calibrated OLED screen/Bottom is HDCRT
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Star Trek 2 (1st gen BD), Office Space, Jurassic Park, Temple Of Doom, The Dark Knight (1st gen BD)
And what I'm seeing is it looks like there might be some truth to this theory. It does appear that the white balance is better for some of these masters, the skin tones are better and the pervasive magenta/red tint is lessened or gone. Overall the colors are much better in my opinion. That is not to say not more theatrical accurate. There is no way for me to know that but hopefully more accurate to what the person grading the film was going for.
So the next step is to do more experimentation and start trying to color grade these masters to what I am seeing
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Hey! |
Posted by: Monsieur Hulot - 2020-06-10, 06:52 PM - Forum: Presentation
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Hi everyone, I have been over at OT and TSWT for a while and can't believe i never registered here. Well I am here now and want to say hello!
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Deliverance (1971) ANA LD |
Posted by: spaceboy710 - 2020-06-10, 05:03 AM - Forum: Released
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Movie: Deliverance (1971)
Format: LD 0110385 (analog mono)
Lineage: Pioneer 660 > e-mu 0404 (set to 24-bit, 96 khz) > Audacity (edit out silence at beginning, side breaks, and end and Laserdisc logo and sounds at beginning of both side A and B)
No other processing done. Feel free to increase the volume (-6.5) or process however you see fit.
Output Soundtrack Options: 24-bit, 96khz, Mono (2.04 GB FLAC) or 24-bit, 48khz, Mono (1.11 GB FLAC)
Originally released in mono. This initial Warner Brothers release is the only way to get this in mono.
Not synced although I would love a synced copy.
PM me if you are interested
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pipefan413 projects |
Posted by: pipefan413 - 2020-06-09, 12:33 AM - Forum: Official and unofficial releases
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None of these are anywhere near as sophisticated as most of the incredible work that goes on around these parts, but I'm mostly making this thread to keep track of everything myself. I'm trying to do too many things at once, and a lot of them are tasks I don't yet have the skills to do properly, so it's starting to get really complicated. I'll keep this top post updated as things progress.
COMPLETED (pending any future revisions):
STAR WARS: Millions of Voices
A very large and reasonably comprehensive audio archive of the what I believe to be the best available audio for the Star Wars trilogy (1977–1983), including dozens of film audio options in multiple (lossless) formats and a large number of official and unofficial commentary tracks; version 3.0 is due out as soon as some new mixes appear from those actually making them, since I'm only really compiling files for archival and doing lossless decoding/encoding rather than actually editing mixes myself
HALLOWEEN: Evil Waits
A very conservative fan edit of Halloween (1978) to add a re-edited 1981 TV version scene as a prologue and restore the original mono audio
HALLOWEEN: A Symphony of Screams
A (comparitively much smaller) audio archive of the different audio tracks for Halloween (1978), including film audio, every official commentary track, and the music & effects only track from LaserDisc
NEAR DARK: a pipefan413 preservation
A presentation of the best available video and audio elements for Near Dark (1987), precisely re-synchronised, without any lossy re-encoding
SNOWPIERCER: preservation and translation
A presentation of the best available video and audio elements for Snowpiercer (2013), precisely re-synchronised, without any lossy re-encoding; also features custom subtitles translating all of the Korean dialogue in the film to English, except for sections that are already translated in the audio, and a large collection of re-synchronised international subtitles from official releases
ANATOMY OF A DEWBACK: upscale and framing correction
This is "done" except that I'm honestly not sure what the more "correct" framing is for this, because sources are few and all of them are terrible... once I decide, I'll declare it finished with and move on with my life (please help me)
IN PROGRESS, ONGOING:
ハチ公物語 (The Story of Hachikō): translation and audio repair
A presentation of the best available video and audio elements for ハチ公物語 (1987), with a new English subtitle translation which is taking me a long time to work through both due to the difficulty of doing this with my level of Japanese and the number of other things that I keep getting distracted with; the original Japanese audio is only available on one Blu-ray release, and even that is flawed (not least because of a big horrid audio glitch a few mins in that I'll need to fix)
TERMINATOR 2: theatrical audio mix re-sync to 2015 US Blu-ray Disc
This has already been done to most likely a higher standard than I'd manage (the AC-3 by @jonno and the DTS decoded to FLAC by @Chewtobacca) but I'm still interested in syncing the audio off the OOP 2008 2-disc French BD (DTS-HD MA 5.1) and the OOP 2003 Japanese DVD (1509 kbps DTS, but without decoding if possible) to the 2015 US BD and maybe the 2017 one but I can't see me wanting to watch that again. I'm up to my neck in missing frames at the moment, with all sorts of ridiculous screw-ups on every release (except the 2015 US BD which is actually pretty OK for the most part, but lacks the theatrical audio).
PLANNED / RESEARCH STARTED:
THE EXORCIST: The Version You've Almost Seen
An extended theatrical-and-then-some version of The Exorcist, with an audio mix more closely resembling the original presentation but with some of the additional scenes incorporated from the extended "Version You've Never Seen" cut with colour corrections to make the transitions somewhat less apparent
RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK: audio re-sync / repair
This may end up being done by someone else because I'm trying to do too much at once but would at its simplest involve just patching over a gap in the CLV LaserDisc audio, or at most, potentially a full new cleanup, restoration and re-sync of 35 mm optical audio
BASKET CASE: re-stabilisation reinstating Analysis Film Releasing Corporation logo to the MOMA restoration
As described in the linked thread, the UK version of this film from Second Sight suffers from very very bad stabilisation on hard cuts such that the image is knocked out of position for about 3 or 4 frames on almost every single cut, but the US Arrow release doesn't have that issue. However, it does have a different issue (minor, but annoying): it's missing the Analysis Film Releasing Corporation logo from the very start. The logo does appear on the earlier scan for the Image Entertainment / Second Sight releases, so I'm looking to reframe that to fill the same aspect ratio as the Arrow version of the video (no stretching or cropping, just adding pixels around the edges) and stick it on the start of the later restoration, after chopping off the extra text from the start of the later release.
DOG SOLDIERS: audio repair and possibly full restoration from multiple sources
At least, this will hopefully fix the messed up audio on the German UHD release; at best, it will also restore the video to the correct levels (since they appear to be wrong and the blacks are washed out to hell), fix the colours, re-grain the image so that cuts between negative elements and lower-quality sources are less distracting, and stabilisation of hard cuts if needed (same problem as Basket Case above apparently, though I've yet to see any myself)
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