Looking for the "right" Terminator 2 color grading...

[Stamper]

Why put all the commercialy available mixes? This being a preservation, you should concentrate on only including rare mixes not available on home-media anymore.

[Koopa Luath]

In the future, I might do a restoration including 3D and 2D versions, the Cinema Digital Sound mix, the best-sounding THX LD mix, and the current DTS mixes. I also plan to do a partial 3D version of The Making of Terminator 2: Judgment Day, a promotional cassette released by Carolco through Live America around the time of the original release in 1991. And if the 4K version retains the grain, I might also be able to do a 4K version at some point (obviously not as a physical release for the time being, as I want to keep things within specs for any format in which I release my projects).

Sounds like alot of work.
Is this 120fps?
I understand the theory of capturing in 120fps (like Douglas Trumball is pioneering) for down conversion, but taking something that is say 30fps, and converting to 120fps, then converting to what ever fps your project is surly going to cause some problems!

No, this one I'll do purely in 24p, with select bonus features in either 30i or 60p.

[PDB]

Ok saw Terminator 2 DCP in 3D.

Overall the movie closer still didn’t look like the 35mm frames. For example, the truck stop bar scene had the blue tint outside but more neutral inside the bar. So in other words no additional blues or purple like the 35mm frames. In fact comparing to the 35mm frames on ebay there was no purple at all except in the chip vault within Cyberdyne.

The two big color changes were the Sarah interview and the mall hallway scene. Both now have a green tint. Not the neutral of the BD or the blue of the 35mm frames. The video that Zoidberg posted a couple pages back is accurate (if maybe a tiny bit over-saturated). The Sarah interview is an odd one since it has a green tint but when it pans over to the CRT at the end, the CRT shows the room in blue.

When the T-800 first spots John in the canal and later when John questions the T-800 ("you're a Terminator, right?") also had a green-ish tint but not as much as the previously mentioned.

The major daylight scene in the canal and the desert didn't have the yellow/orangish tint that the BD. The had a more balanced, cooler look. My regrade of the canal was closer to this.

The other "blue" scenes from the BD are there and similar: when the T-800 first appears, T-1000 first appearance, Cyberdyne scenes, The mental ward scenes, the drive away, etc.

I didn't notice any digital fixes beside the previous mentioned ones but wasn't looking for them, I was more focusing on the color. Both of the major ones were terrible. For the tow truck fall: they fixed the windows in the one shot as previously posted but in the next shot the window is broke and half in the frame and in the next shot it has cracks all over it. All things not included this fix. The window looks perfectly normal in the fix and has no damage from the fall. The head replacement in the Harley jump just looked so bad. So when the bike hits and the stuntman's head bounces. They had to add that motion to the fix but it looked like they put a still pic of Arnold's face on the stuntman and just moved it up and down to simulate the motion. It looked terrible. Like a 5 minute fix. This is why I always say let the movie have its flaws, no amount of fixes are going be satisfactory.

One or two things I noticed sounded slightly different to me. The two I noticed were the HK crash and sounds of dripping milk when John's foster father is killed. I'm guessing that's probably more of a function of being in a theater space or the mix bringing small sounds up. Honestly, it sounded pretty a lot like the Rydstorm mix.

The 3D was eh. It's that layered look where they separate the fore, mid and background creating a stage play like effect. But after a while of watching I stopped noticing. The movie was DNR'd but I'm sure that's just a function of the 3D since 3D and grain don't go well together. There were 3D sparks in the steel factory at the end, I'll have to check to see if those were in the original.

There was one or two shots that had bad flickering but I don't know if it was the digital or the projection.

Despite those negatives it was still super fun to see T2 back on the big screen. This summer had some pretty good films and this still ended up being my favorite film of the summer.

[Tylerdurden389]

Yeah the bobble head moment reminded me of the giant Bruce Lee head over the guy's face in "Game of Death" lol. The other 2 CGI Arnold heads right after were good though. The truck windows should've at least cracked when it first landed. Honestly, I never even noticed that flub until someone pointed it out to me a year ago, lol. I haven't seen too many movies in 3D so I thought it looked great. One of my issues was the AR, as it seemed 'zoomed in' to me. I'm still used to the bigger 4:3 versions (Yes, I still have them and continue to look for more wherever I can find them).

[nafroe]

I was pleasantly surprised myself... My first opportunity to see the film on the big screen and I wasn't gonna miss it! Most of the "fixes" I didn't even notice... then again, I wasn't really looking for them. I did notice a couple instances of wax face, but they were few and far between, at least from what I could tell. Overall, an enjoyable time at the movies taking in one of my favorite movies.

As Tylerdurden said, I thought there were some shots that felt zoomed in to me... more so than the copies I owned. Then maybe it's just my imagination, haha.

[deblock]

The Sarah interview is an odd one since it has a green tint but when it pans over to the CRT at the end, the CRT shows the room in blue.

Sounds sloppy, but interesting!

[dvdmike]

I have tickets for tonight and even tho with the 29th being the day, I am not sure I want to bother.

[Booshman]

So when the bike hits and the stuntman's head bounces. They had to add that motion to the fix but it looked like they put a still pic of Arnold's face on the stuntman and just moved it up and down to simulate the motion. It looked terrible. Like a 5 minute fix. This is why I always say let the movie have its flaws, no amount of fixes are going be satisfactory.

I can't believe they did this. I saw Cameron interviewed and he said the only change was the window. His justification being that had he had the tech back in the day he would have done it then, and it's always bothered him. No mention of new heads replacing stuntmen. Why can't he just leave it alone, or at least be open about making changes.

[zoidberg]

I made my pilgrimage to the cinema yesterday evening....absolute bliss. The time flew by

I have to say I didn't find the fixes objectionable as I was enjoying myself too much. To be honest I was expecting a lot more fixes. For example the Arnold mask in the Bol-L-Gol which has always looked like a bobble head    The cocked/uncocked pistol during the 'jock douchebag' scene survived as well.

I thought the 3D conversion was very well done. Plenty of positive and negative depth. There were a few flubs here and there where they didn't isolate things properly and you get a swirling 'morphing' effect but by and large it was very impressive. For a RealD screening it was surprisingly bright but with that came some heavy crosstalk. It did looked more cropped than usual but I couldn't say whether it was the conversion or the projection causing that.

The sound was phenomenal. Incredibly, insanely dynamic. I thought cinemas stopped playing films that loud! To my ears it sounded somewhere between the SQZ AC3 laserdisc and the AC3 'CDS' track, but mostly like the SQZ. The balance between the score and the SFX was spot on.

Colour timing wise, it looked 'right'. Steel blues all the way. Saturation was excellent even through the 3D glasses. It still has that high contrast look, but not blown out like the DVD/Blus.

For all you UK folks who missed it, it seems there are additional screenings (due to popular demand?):

http://www.terminator2-3d.co.uk/

I shall be going again 

[PDB]

Yeah the bobble head moment reminded me of the giant Bruce Lee head over the guy's face in "Game of Death" lol.

Ha that's a pretty good description of it.