HD version of old Dobermann (1997) master?

[deleted user]

Too bad about not open matte - but if it's the same master we have 3 sources now - hello Median!

[MrBrown]

Japanese BD seems to come from the same master as the french and german BD.
Not open matte, same Aspect Ratio as other BDs. So no real help here.

IIRC it has an higher video bitrate than both French and German, so it could always be useful as a source - plus, it should have the Japanese audio track (and maybe subtitles, too).

It has japanese Subs, and I think also japanese Audio track.
Bitrate I have to check with a bit time at hand.

[MrBrown]

BD Info Scan of japanese Disc:

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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
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00001.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:43:13 31.381.432.320  38.735.602.955  40,54   34,48   DTS-HD Master 5.1 2274Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)

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DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     BDROM
Disc Size:      38.735.602.955 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00001.MPLS
Length:                 1:43:13.186 (h:m:s .ms)
Size:                   31.381.432.320 bytes
Total Bitrate:          40,54 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description    
-----                   -------             -----------    
MPEG-4 AVC Video        34482 kbps          1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description    
-----                           --------        -------         -----------    
DTS-HD Master Audio             French          2274 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2274 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
LPCM Audio                      Japanese        1536 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1536 kbps / 16-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description    
-----                           --------        -------         -----------    
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        26,671 kbps                    

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate  
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------  
00003.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:43:13.186     31.381.432.320  40.537          

CHAPTERS:
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----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----          
00003.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     6193,104                34.483                  26.694.537.538  145.166.306    
00003.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       fra (French)            6193,104                2.274                   1.760.502.596   10.518.938      
00003.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x80            LPCM            jpn (Japanese)          6193,104                1.542                   1.194.047.032   7.431.828      
00003.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          6193,104                27                      20.647.550      120.369        

[deleted user]

Thanks for the scan!

So it indeed does have a higher bitrate. And the French audio track also has a different bitrate, so it's likely a little different to the existing ones (French & German release). Would be interesting to compare that one to the other ones (which also slightly differ).

[MrBrown]

Also the FPS is different.. 24 FPS (German and French) vs. 23,976 FPS (Japan).

[deleted user]

Interesting indeed. Funny how so often the Japanese guys get it right while the others don't.

By the way, I also have the German DVD with the desired color timing now. spoRv has received a link, if anyone else wants to have a look, PM me.

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Just discovered this never got any form of release over in the US... Wonder who owns the rights over here? It's definitely not Universal since they only have overseas rights inherited from Polygram.

This would be a decent fit for ether a Arrow top end edition or a smaller outfit like WellGo in the US, provided the US rights holder that has it works with labels or isn't like Lionsgate or Warner when it comes to licencing.

[deleted user]

Just discovered this never got any form of release over in the US... Wonder who owns the rights over here? It's definitely not Universal since they only have overseas rights inherited from Polygram.

This would be a decent fit for ether a Arrow top end edition or a smaller outfit like WellGo in the US, provided the US rights holder that has it works with labels or isn't like Lionsgate or Warner when it comes to licencing.

I believe the reason it has no US release is not a rights issue but due to the fact that back when this was released, it was considered very controversial.

[SpaceBlackKnight]

I believe the reason it has no US release is not a rights issue but due to the fact that back when this was released, it was considered very controversial.

Yeah, but far more controversial stuff (like Cannibal Holocaust and especially Henry: Portrait of
a Serial Killer, which have ether been ourtight banned or heavily censored in other countries that showed Doberman uncut) have remained available in the US despite whatever groups went against it.

[deleted user]

I believe the reason it has no US release is not a rights issue but due to the fact that back when this was released, it was considered very controversial.

Yeah, but far more controversial stuff (like Cannibal Holocaust and especially Henry: Portrait of
a Serial Killer, which have ether been ourtight banned or heavily censored in other countries that showed Doberman uncut) have remained available in the US despite whatever groups went against it.

Fair argument - I don't understand the decisions then - maybe the devil was in the details who knows